Government consultation on compulsory Helmets & Hivis for cyclists

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Government consultation on compulsory Helmets & Hivis for cyclists

Postby Graham » 24 Nov 2017, 8:17am

Radio 4 : The "Today" program : as dated this post

I heard that the above consultation has been proposed by the "Department of the Extraordinary Special Privilege for Motorists & the detriment of anyone else in a public space".

This was a second-hand report via "The Times".

Mind you, the "Today" program is decreasingly credible . . . . due to the pathological growth of the number of sentences started with the "superfluous leading 'So . . .' ". Muppets !

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Re: Government consultation on compulsory Helmets & Hivis for cyclists

Postby [XAP]Bob » 24 Nov 2017, 8:28am

His this the statement that “I have no personal opinion, but everything is up for discussion” when he was directly asked about hats/lemons
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Re: Government consultation on compulsory Helmets & Hivis for cyclists

Postby Jon Lucas » 24 Nov 2017, 8:52am

Well it does sound like Jesse Norman, the transport minister, will push ahead with this consultation, and if it does, it will undoubtedly be swayed by the medical responses it receives from the likes of the BMA. We need to ensure that we present a good medical case against compulsion based on all the evidence that has been covered many times in these threads.

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Re: Government consultation on compulsory Helmets & Hivis for cyclists

Postby thirdcrank » 24 Nov 2017, 9:57am

I fear it would be an easy crowd pleaser for a bankrupt govt. Ditto number plates. Ditto compulsory use of farcilities.

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Postby 9494arnold » 24 Nov 2017, 10:05am

Just been announced on Radio 2 News so seems to be gathering some momentum?. Is this really happening ? :shock:

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Re: Government consultation on compulsory Helmets & Hivis for cyclists

Postby Audax67 » 24 Nov 2017, 10:24am

Yesterday I saw a couple of ski-stick-wielding pedestrians wearing hi-viz vests: on the pavement, in a modestly-sized town, in bright sunlight.
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Re: Government consultation on compulsory Helmets & Hivis for cyclists

Postby meic » 24 Nov 2017, 10:26am

No helmets?
They obviously like taking a risk to add some excitement to their lives. :lol:
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Re: Government consultation on compulsory Helmets & Hivis for cyclists

Postby brynpoeth » 24 Nov 2017, 10:32am

thirdcrank wrote:I fear it would be an easy crowd pleaser for a bankrupt govt. Ditto number plates. Ditto compulsory use of farcilities.


How would our hard-pressed constabularies find the personpower to enforce the law?
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Postby 9494arnold » 24 Nov 2017, 10:38am

Dangerous places, pavements. I've lost count of the number of times I gave nearly been mown down by a fast moving invalid carriages. And I did witness a nasty collision involving one and a lady.

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Postby Psamathe » 24 Nov 2017, 10:47am

brynpoeth wrote:
thirdcrank wrote:I fear it would be an easy crowd pleaser for a bankrupt govt. Ditto number plates. Ditto compulsory use of farcilities.


How would our hard-pressed constabularies find the personpower to enforce the law?

For an officer, easier to notice a cyclist without a helmet than to notice a driver on their mobile. And once we all have to have number plates all that officer has to do is take a not of the bike number plate and cyclist done and crime stats start to look a lot better.

The cynic in me suspects that were such laws to be introduced the Police might start to enforce them (whilst ignoring all those driving past using their mobiles), if only to avoid Clarkson's accusations about "victimisation of drivers whilst all those cyclists spend their time RLJ'ing".

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Re: Government consultation on compulsory Helmets & Hivis for cyclists

Postby NUKe » 24 Nov 2017, 10:54am

thirdcrank wrote:I fear it would be an easy crowd pleaser for a bankrupt govt. Ditto number plates. Ditto compulsory use of farcilities.

TC called it exactly right.
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Re: Government consultation on compulsory Helmets & Hivis for cyclists

Postby brynpoeth » 24 Nov 2017, 10:58am

Psamathe wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:
thirdcrank wrote:I fear it would be an easy crowd pleaser for a bankrupt govt. Ditto number plates. Ditto compulsory use of farcilities.


How would our hard-pressed constabularies find the personpower to enforce the law?

For an officer, easier to notice a cyclist without a helmet than to notice a driver on their mobile. And once we all have to have number plates all that officer has to do is take a not of the bike number plate and cyclist done and crime stats start to look a lot better.

The cynic in me suspects that were such laws to be introduced the Police might start to enforce them (whilst ignoring all those driving past using their mobiles), if only to avoid Clarkson's accusations about "victimisation of drivers whilst all those cyclists spend their time RLJ'ing".

Ian


Archeologists say: *the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence*, can one p r o v e that something is not? :wink:

In practice enforcement would be impossible, the thing to do would be to wait until most use helmets, like with the seatbelt law

One wonders whether the *law of unintended consequences* will apply

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Death on the Streets, Dr Robert Davis, Leading Edge Burtersett c 1991
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Re: Government consultation on compulsory Helmets & Hivis for cyclists

Postby thirdcrank » 24 Nov 2017, 11:33am

On the matter of enforcement, it would be no different to all the countless other things that go unenforced, apart from the possible occasional crackdown.

On my comment about an easy crowd pleaser, I'm not sure that this was how this originated. The media are desperate for controversy: any mention of cycling - which is controversial in itself for some people - leaves open the door for hot air. The Today programme seems to have hours to fill. I say "seems" because it's some time since I stopped listening.

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Re: Government consultation on compulsory Helmets & Hivis for cyclists

Postby meic » 24 Nov 2017, 11:40am

On the matter of enforcement, it would be no different to all the countless other things that go unenforced.

I can see that going either way, it could be seen on the same lines as using a mobile phone while driving and pretty much ignored, or it could be seen as on a par with riding a motorcycle without a helmet and any sighting resulting in immediate pursuit (with blues and twos).

It all depends on how well obedience to the new law gets established at the start.
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Re: Government consultation on compulsory Helmets & Hivis for cyclists

Postby Graham » 24 Nov 2017, 11:54am

It is not enforcement by Police that would worry me.

It would be the vigilante enforcement by psychopaths and other angry persons behind the steering wheels of vehicles.
i.e. Another excuse for a punishment pass, or worse.