ISO 4210 helmet - is there such a thing?

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ISO 4210 helmet - is there such a thing?

Postby RickH » 24 Mar 2018, 11:41pm

Following a link to an event I wanted to check the requirements for helmets (link) & found
All riders must wear a cycle helmet that complies with the ISO 4210

Unless my google-fu is failing, I can't find any reference to helmets & ISO 4210 in any link so far. It isn't a standard I've ever come across for helmets. Is there an actual ISO 4210 standard for helmets? Or is this a modern rehash on the 25 year out of date standards required by other event organisers?

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Re: ISO 4210 helmet - is there such a thing?

Postby mjr » 24 Mar 2018, 11:58pm

I can't find one. Some Scott helmet manuals seem to claim that the manual conforms to that ISO standard but it's the manual, not the helmet.

It doesn't seem to be an old helmet standard, so it's not like the ANSI one that was withdrawn about 25 years ago.

Why not ask the organiser to drop the helmet requirement, as clearly no one has met it recently?
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Re: ISO 4210 helmet - is there such a thing?

Postby drossall » 25 Mar 2018, 9:10pm

I think ISO 4210 is a standard for the construction of the cycles themselves. Not sure there is an ISO standard for cycle helmets.

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Re: ISO 4210 helmet - is there such a thing?

Postby hufty » 25 Mar 2018, 9:59pm

Looking at it the other way, surely whatever you have on your head complies with the requirements of ISO4210 so no need to ask the organiser.
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Re: ISO 4210 helmet - is there such a thing?

Postby RickH » 25 Mar 2018, 10:38pm

hufty wrote:Looking at it the other way, surely whatever you have on your head complies with the requirements of ISO4210 so no need to ask the organiser.

I did wonder whether to ask if a set of ISO 4210 compliant forks tied on my head would be an acceptable substitute in the absence of a compliant helmet! :twisted:

In contrast, today we've done the "Two Mills (Wirral) Early Season Challenge Ride" (part of the Cycling UK Challenge ride series) 50 miles, mostly in glorious sunshine, on the tandem. Our headgear was a traditional cycling cap each (our usual attire) & no-one seemed bothered in the slightest (a lump of polystyrene of whatever designation or standard was not required) . :D

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Re: ISO 4210 helmet - is there such a thing?

Postby gaz » 25 Mar 2018, 10:44pm

Agree with all the above, ISO 4210 has nothing to do with helmets.

To add to the organisers' confusion I note the Family/Leisure ride on the same day requires a helmet to EN1078.

I conclude that the organisers know neither why they are asking for helmets nor what the helmet standards are.
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Re: ISO 4210 helmet - is there such a thing?

Postby bovlomov » 25 Mar 2018, 11:09pm

gaz wrote:I conclude that the organisers know neither why they are asking for helmets nor what the helmet standards are.

But they are beset by a nagging fear that they will be blamed - for what and by whom, they know not - and therefore some sort of stipulation should be issued. Like garlic for deterring vampires.

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Re: ISO 4210 helmet - is there such a thing?

Postby Mick F » 26 Mar 2018, 8:51am

bovlomov wrote: Like garlic for deterring vampires.
It works with me.
I can't stand the smell of garlic. Horrible stuff and I keep away from it.

Maybe I'm a vampire! :lol:
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Re: ISO 4210 helmet - is there such a thing?

Postby bovlomov » 26 Mar 2018, 9:03am

Mick F wrote:
bovlomov wrote: Like garlic for deterring vampires.
It works with me.
I can't stand the smell of garlic. Horrible stuff and I keep away from it.

Maybe I'm a vampire! :lol:

Shame! If you rub in on your head before getting on the bike, it will protect you from all harm. And is a hair restorer. But neither works with vampires.

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Re: ISO 4210 helmet - is there such a thing?

Postby Mick F » 26 Mar 2018, 3:02pm

Garlic is a hair restorer?
That's another reason for avoiding the stuff. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: ISO 4210 helmet - is there such a thing?

Postby bovlomov » 26 Mar 2018, 5:15pm

Mick F wrote:I have alopecia universalis, and love it! ............... but I suspect you knew this. :lol:

I probably know more about you than Facebook does.

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Re: ISO 4210 helmet - is there such a thing?

Postby Mick F » 26 Mar 2018, 5:36pm

That is another completely different subject. :D
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Re: ISO 4210 helmet - is there such a thing?

Postby Cunobelin » 26 Mar 2018, 5:36pm

There are all sorts of issues with helmet standards, not least of knowing which ones they pass.

Many will not test to the Snell standard as they test of the shelf helmets and there is a charge.

Manafacturers prefer to send a chosen sample to passs the tests rather than the ones you will get

They also tend to use the minimum standard to pass for sale, EN1078 Europe for instance

In some cases where there is multinational packaging, you will see the others listed, or you can look at theist websites or independent reviews

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Re: ISO 4210 helmet - is there such a thing?

Postby Cunobelin » 26 Mar 2018, 5:40pm

bovlomov wrote:
Mick F wrote:
bovlomov wrote: Like garlic for deterring vampires.
It works with me.
I can't stand the smell of garlic. Horrible stuff and I keep away from it.

Maybe I'm a vampire! :lol:

Shame! If you rub in on your head before getting on the bike, it will protect you from all harm. And is a hair restorer. But neither works with vampires.



I once ran over a rabbit, and rather than waste it, put it into my pannier.

Only got a few yards when I was stopped by a Police car questioning my activities.

They took the rabbit, placed it on the bonnet of the car, and checked it over

One Copper goes into teh back, brings out a small sachet, opens it and pours it over the rabbit...... which bounds up and across the fields

Amazed, I asked what was in the bottle.....


The Copper replies......


"Hare restorer"