Guardian Video - Should cyclists be forced to wear helmets ?

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Guardian Video - Should cyclists be forced to wear helmets ?

Postby Bsteel » 31 May 2018, 11:42am

New video on helmet wearing from the Guardian.

https://youtu.be/RWhMEkMtLy0


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Re: Guardian Video

Postby horizon » 31 May 2018, 12:28pm

Do you what the music was for?
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Re: Guardian Video

Postby RickH » 31 May 2018, 2:50pm

horizon wrote:Do you what the music was for?

?? :?

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Re: Guardian Video

Postby horizon » 31 May 2018, 3:13pm

RickH wrote:
horizon wrote:Do you what the music was for?

?? :?


I found it quite difficult to listen to with the background music so might not have caught it all.

It didn't say anything new AFAICS and it didn't crack the old chestnut of individual choice over public policy: the individual can say, "It works for me, I don't increase my risk, it doesn't put me off cycling."
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Re: Guardian Video

Postby gaz » 31 May 2018, 3:31pm

horizon wrote:It didn't say anything new AFAICS ...

It doesn't say anything new but it does put things together in an easily accessible package, useful when I next need to point anyone to the arguments against helmet compulsion. I expect they'll be more receptive to being asked to watch a few minutes of video than to being asked to plough through websites full of reports and summaries of research.

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Re: Guardian Video - Should cyclists be forced to wear helmets ?

Postby brynpoeth » 3 Jun 2018, 9:56am

Why is muzak played while he is talking?
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Re: Guardian Video - Should cyclists be forced to wear helmets ?

Postby Graham » 3 Jun 2018, 10:58am

Clear presentation of the key points presented in an effective, modern way.

Well done to them.

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Re: Guardian Video - Should cyclists be forced to wear helmets ?

Postby Mick F » 4 Jun 2018, 8:11am

brynpoeth wrote:Why is muzak played while he is talking?
Drives me crackers.
Why people expect this sort of thing is acceptable, I don't know.

Other than that, it was a good presentation plainly put in a nice and clear way .................. but spoiled by the music.
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Re: Guardian Video

Postby Psamathe » 4 Jun 2018, 8:23am

gaz wrote:
horizon wrote:It didn't say anything new AFAICS ...

It doesn't say anything new but it does put things together in an easily accessible package......

Also, to some extent reaching a broader audience than those who normally follow the debate re compulsion and already know the arguments.

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Re: Guardian Video - Should cyclists be forced to wear helmets ?

Postby ChrisButch » 4 Jun 2018, 10:57am

Apart from the muzak, the other downside in reaching a new audience with these arguments was the unfortunate appearance of the presenter. Not his fault, but - how can I put this - he looks the way a non-cycling sceptic would expect a Guardian cycling journalist to look. And unfortunately appearance counts for so much these days if you want to be taken seriously.

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Re: Guardian Video - Should cyclists be forced to wear helmets ?

Postby brynpoeth » 4 Jun 2018, 6:32pm

What would be an appropriate appearance? Sir Chris Boardman might be my choice, he has a beard, is that appropriate? No need for a visible presenter maybe?
I wish I could just read the text sans muzak

Helen Pidd is a keen cyclist, she is now the Guardian North of England Correspondent, she described how the paper required her to get a car when she moved from London to Manchester, is cycling in the Northern Poorhouse not so easy?
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Re: Guardian Video - Should cyclists be forced to wear helmets ?

Postby ChrisButch » 4 Jun 2018, 9:17pm

brynpoeth wrote:What would be an appropriate appearance? Sir Chris Boardman might be my choice, he has a beard, is that appropriate?

Ah, but Chris has the right sort of beard... :D

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Re: Guardian Video - Should cyclists be forced to wear helmets ?

Postby brynpoeth » 4 Jun 2018, 9:30pm

ChrisButch wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:What would be an appropriate appearance? Sir Chris Boardman might be my choice, he has a beard, is that appropriate?

Ah, but Chris has the right sort of beard... :D

So do I, a bit unkempt with a lot of grey
But Sir Chris has a better accent than me, I went to school in Oxford, I might sound too much like David Cameron :wink:
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Re: Guardian Video - Should cyclists be forced to wear helmets ?

Postby brynpoeth » 5 Jun 2018, 5:40am

Toby Moses of the Guardian has the right sort of beard
Maybe he could be promoted to cycling Corris-pondent
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Re: Guardian Video - Should cyclists be forced to wear helmets ?

Postby Cunobelin » 5 Jun 2018, 9:34am

brynpoeth wrote:What would be an appropriate appearance? Sir Chris Boardman might be my choice, he has a beard, is that appropriate? No need for a visible presenter maybe?
I wish I could just read the text sans muzak

Helen Pidd is a keen cyclist, she is now the Guardian North of England Correspondent, she described how the paper required her to get a car when she moved from London to Manchester, is cycling in the Northern Poorhouse not so easy?


Many jobs have practicalities where a bicycle may not fit the bill.

It may be that in Manchester the job is one that requires attendance at incidents or events where cycling not a practicable method and car or public transport is more efficient


For instance a quick glance on Twitter discusses a rail journey to Sheffield today

Another day of glamorous Northern bus, sorry, “train” travel - taking a Pacer to Sheffield to see the council try to send four tree protesters to jail


4.5 hours etc each way by bike, 1 hour by train.