Re: Interfering stranger lecturing my son about helmets

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Re: Interfering stranger lecturing my son about helmets

Postby mjr » 11 Sep 2018, 8:55am

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ibbo68 wrote:This is a British Cycling/insurance requirement.

It's a British Cycling requirement for GoRide but it's almost certainly not an insurance one because they run several types of rides without one. I think it's more likely to prepare future racers for the UCI's ill-founded compulsory helmet rule.

Here's a recent photo from a ride in the Peak District.Personally I see a happy little boy enjoying being out in the fresh air and Countryside with his dad not someone forced to wear/do something he doesn't want to!
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I hope the hat fits better than it looks: it looks too big, too far forwards and a loose chinstrap... although plenty of the pros wear them with dangling chinstraps.
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Re: Interfering stranger lecturing my son about bike clothing

Postby 100%JR » 11 Sep 2018, 10:59am

mjr wrote: I think it's more likely to prepare future racers for the UCI's ill-founded compulsory helmet rule.
I hope the hat fits better than it looks: it looks too big, too far forwards and a loose chinstrap... although plenty of the pros wear them with dangling chinstraps.

As I've stated more than once I don't want a helmet debate.You think it's Ill advised,I don't so as said before let's leave it there.
The fit is spot on.We had issues with the chin strap(usual Planet-X thing) which is now sorted thanks.

meic wrote:As the couple involved were "proper" cycle tourists then we have good reason to assume that they were not locals. They were probably not even Welsh.

I wasn't having a dig at the Welsh or Wales in fact i don't think I mentioned their nationality.For the record I don't believe they were locals or Welsh due to their lack of a Welsh accent.Having said that were were chatting to a runner who said he was from Wrexham who had a definite Liverpudlian accent.
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Re: Interfering stranger lecturing my son about bike clothing

Postby Tangled Metal » 11 Sep 2018, 11:54am

Going back to the OP's son and his helmet fit again. What is the significance of dangling straps? Are they really a hazard? Do they effect helmet preformance?

Also it's possibly difficult to be sure about fit from a photograph because I've tried on perfectly fitting helmets that appeared to be a bit too high up in the past.

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Re: Interfering stranger lecturing my son about bike clothing

Postby meic » 11 Sep 2018, 12:03pm

Do they effect helmet preformance?

I cant help but find it funny that the people most likely to raise the issue is non-helmet wearers who dont actually admit the helmet is worth wearing in the first place.

In my personal opinion it doesnt matter a jot whether or not the chinstrap is loose.
My daughter on the other hand keeps her helmet correctly fitted and the straps the correct length, it is one of the first things that they learn when joining the cycling club. The instructors do tend to maintain standards on this issue and not just give it lip service.
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Re: Interfering stranger lecturing my son about bike clothing

Postby 100%JR » 11 Sep 2018, 1:23pm

meic wrote:
Do they effect helmet preformance?

In my personal opinion it doesnt matter a jot whether or not the chinstrap is loose.
My daughter on the other hand keeps her helmet correctly fitted and the straps the correct length, it is one of the first things that they learn when joining the cycling club. The instructors do tend to maintain standards on this issue and not just give it lip service.

I believe I addressed this in an earlier post so why continue down that line?Just to confirm a few things for you.
1.My son is a member of a CC and knows exactly how his helmet should fit and how to do so.
2.I've been wearing helmets(Moto-X/Motorcycle/Cycling for 40+ years so know exactly how one should fit.
3.If there was an issue it would be addressed by one of the coaches before the session.
Said helmet in the photo was brand new and it was the first time out in the field so to speak.I did not realise until we were riding that said helmet suffered from a problem that seems to blight all Planet-X helmets..ie the chin straps slip slightly.This was rectified on the ride and is now sorted.
It seems strange that you keep highlighting his helmet and helmets in general when it's not about helmets.You are wanting to make this a helmet debate with constantly going over the same ground.If you have nothing to say about anything other than helmets then i would suggest you don't say anything further at all.
@Tangled Metal.TBH the straps on some helmets(mine included) are just one part of the securing system.The internal headring on my Kask holds my helmet firmly in place if adjusted correctly.Unfortunately his head isn't big enough yet for an adult helmet though and the headring on Youths helmets aren't quite as adjustable.
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Re: Interfering stranger lecturing my son about bike clothing

Postby meic » 11 Sep 2018, 1:39pm

It seems strange that you keep highlighting his helmet and helmets in general when it's not about helmets.You are wanting to make this a helmet debate with constantly going over the same ground.



I cant avoid mentioning helmets because it was the subject of the conversation.
I have not highlighted his helmet once, can you point out when you think that I did?
Most of my posts are about interactions with strangers, it is hard to not bring up the fact that we are repeatedly approached about not wearing helmets in response to a post about once being approached about wearing one. The responses are no more turning it into a helmet debate than the opening post was.
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Interfering stranger lecturing my son about bike clothing

Postby mjr » 11 Sep 2018, 2:44pm

ibbo68 wrote:
mjr wrote: I think it's more likely to prepare future racers for the UCI's ill-founded compulsory helmet rule.
I hope the hat fits better than it looks: it looks too big, too far forwards and a loose chinstrap... although plenty of the pros wear them with dangling chinstraps.

As I've stated more than once I don't want a helmet debate.You think it's Ill advised,I don't so as said before let's leave it there.

If you don't want a helmet debate then stick to the facts. Don't make up that BC's helmet rule has anything to do with their insurance, or claim I wrote ill-advised (which is very debatable) rather than ill-founded (which it is, having been brought in after a rider crashed riding through a built-up area with both hands in back pockets).
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Re: Interfering stranger lecturing my son about bike clothing

Postby Cunobelin » 11 Sep 2018, 4:19pm

Tangled Metal wrote:Going back to the OP's son and his helmet fit again. What is the significance of dangling straps? Are they really a hazard? Do they effect helmet preformance?.


Yes...... Unequivocally

1. If the helmet is not securely in place it can be ejected in case of an accident, making the wearing rather a pointless gesture
2. If the helmet slides off, there is a risk of strangulation
3. There is evidence that a poorly fitting helmet can double the risk of head injury in an impact

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Re: Interfering stranger lecturing my son about helmets

Postby rmurphy195 » 11 Sep 2018, 6:16pm

This is great.

A non-helmet-debate thread started by someone who was upset about someone upsetting his son, being moved to the helmet thread because its been hijacked by the usual suspects, who really ought to learn to shut up.
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Re: Interfering stranger lecturing my son about helmets

Postby Cyril Haearn » 11 Sep 2018, 6:30pm

It's only a few posts that have been moved

The original thread is really interesting, it's not really about cycling, more about social norms and how differently males behave if a female is present &c

I am not the only one who finds it very enlightening, gets me thinking too

What would happen if one cycled naked? :wink:
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Re: Interfering stranger lecturing my son about helmets

Postby paddler » 11 Sep 2018, 7:37pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:It's only a few posts that have been moved

The original thread is really interesting, it's not really about cycling, more about social norms and how differently males behave if a female is present &c

I am not the only one who finds it very enlightening, gets me thinking too

What would happen if one cycled naked? :wink:


Probably get sore. :wink:

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Re: Interfering stranger lecturing my son about helmets

Postby bovlomov » 11 Sep 2018, 10:25pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:What would happen if one cycled naked? :wink:

I'm not sure about one on his or her own, but many do together.

The dual aims of the World Naked Bike Ride are 1) to celebrate the human body, and 2) to campaign against dependency on cars. I agree with the latter sentiment, but for the former... ...mine is no cause for celebration.

The photo shows some of the riders wearing plastic hats. All are wearing shoes.

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Re: Interfering stranger lecturing my son about helmets

Postby Cunobelin » 12 Sep 2018, 12:40am

rmurphy195 wrote:This is great.

A non-helmet-debate thread started by someone who was upset about someone upsetting his son, being moved to the helmet thread because its been hijacked by the usual suspects, who really ought to learn to shut up.



When you become a moderator ... fine, until then , perhaps take your own advice?

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Re: Interfering stranger lecturing my son about helmets

Postby Cunobelin » 12 Sep 2018, 12:42am

bovlomov wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:What would happen if one cycled naked? :wink:

I'm not sure about one on his or her own, but many do together.

The dual aims of the World Naked Bike Ride are 1) to celebrate the human body, and 2) to campaign against dependency on cars. I agree with the latter sentiment, but for the former... ...mine is no cause for celebration.

The photo shows some of the riders wearing plastic hats. All are wearing shoes.



That would follow the "Bare as you Dare" attitude for the Naked Bike Rides