My Lidl helmet - and fall

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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby mjr » 25 Mar 2019, 11:55am

mercalia wrote:
mjr wrote:I'm not really understanding how that resulted in a fall backwards.

I've kicked the bike over in different ways due to failed dismounts but I'm much heavier than the bike so it falls, not me.


well I would like to see how you get on and off a bike :shock:

My method of getting on/off a bike is nothing unusual AFAIK: lean the bike and swing the non-standing leg over, usually over the rear rack unless there's tall luggage on it, else over the top tube. So sort-of like this but I can't bring all of my bikes upright until I start moving:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0CJk5UpY4w

So how do you do it and how can it result in a fall?
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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby Oldjohnw » 25 Mar 2019, 12:05pm

A couple of things have contributed to my falling over whilst trying to mount:

Elderly legs;
Bags on the rear rack.

Add to this the inescapable fact that balance can become an issue with age. It is harder to correct a wobble.
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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby RickH » 25 Mar 2019, 1:58pm

Oldjohnw wrote:A couple of things have contributed to my falling over whilst trying to mount:

Elderly legs;
Bags on the rear rack.

Add to this the inescapable fact that balance can become an issue with age. It is harder to correct a wobble.

A change of bike to one with lower stepover would probably be a better "safety" option as it would reduce the likelihood of falling over full stop.

A helmet may do some good if you fall over & hit your head. Not falling over will prevent many other possible injuries as well (even if none of them are particularly likely).

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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby broadway » 25 Mar 2019, 2:36pm

horizon wrote:
mercalia wrote:my Lidl helmet prevented a bad knock. As I got off my bike I fell backwards against an edge of a path, not very hard but the helmet showed the indent which would have been my head I assume. Thats the sort of accident I would assume a helmet is useful for ?


If you were getting off your bike, I presume you wouldn't have been doing anything very different from a pedestrian navigating steps/pavement, carrying shopping etc and coping with a fall backwards. That's why most pedestrians now wear a helmet to protect against such accidents, even if the helmet wouldn't protect against being hit a by a car. And very sensible they are too in my view.


Last week I went last without mine on and promptly tripped over, luckily I I didn't hit my head. I got a well deserved telling off when I got home and told my wife. I'll make sure I don't forget my helmet in the future.

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Re: Trek comes out with new helmet material, says old helmets are rubbish

Postby LollyKat » 25 Mar 2019, 3:13pm

De Sisti wrote:
mercalia wrote:my Lidl helmet prevented a bad knock. As I got off my bike I fell backwards against an edge of a path, not very hard but the helmet showed the indent which would have been my head I assume. Thats the sort of accident I would assume a helmet is useful for ?

Pretty sure your head would have hurt from the impact but not have had an indent like the helmet.


Some years ago when on foot I slipped on some unexpected ice and came down quite hard, hitting the side of my head on the edge of the kerb. I had just left the house and the streetlight was out, so I had no night vision, otherwise I might have been able to save myself. My head was a bit sore for a couple of hours but no dent and no harm.

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Re: Trek comes out with new helmet material, says old helmets are rubbish

Postby pwa » 25 Mar 2019, 4:45pm

LollyKat wrote:
De Sisti wrote:
mercalia wrote:my Lidl helmet prevented a bad knock. As I got off my bike I fell backwards against an edge of a path, not very hard but the helmet showed the indent which would have been my head I assume. Thats the sort of accident I would assume a helmet is useful for ?

Pretty sure your head would have hurt from the impact but not have had an indent like the helmet.


Some years ago when on foot I slipped on some unexpected ice and came down quite hard, hitting the side of my head on the edge of the kerb. I had just left the house and the streetlight was out, so I had no night vision, otherwise I might have been able to save myself. My head was a bit sore for a couple of hours but no dent and no harm.
You must repeat that another 99 times to produce some meaningful statistics. :D The only time I knocked myself out was as a kid when I fell off my bike. Lids didn't exist in those days, so my parents didn't have to ask themselves any awkward questions.

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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby Cunobelin » 25 Mar 2019, 5:47pm

mercalia wrote:my Lidl helmet prevented a bad knock. As I got off my bike I fell backwards against an edge of a path, not very hard but the helmet showed the indent which would have been my head I assume. Thats the sort of accident I would assume a helmet is useful for ?



Absolutely, many pedestrians suffer exactly this type of energy and they could all benefit from wearing helmets

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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby Cunobelin » 25 Mar 2019, 5:50pm

Brucey wrote:it probably did help you avoid an injury. But that won't stop folk from speculating that it

a) didn't
b) that the presence of the helmet on your head somehow caused you to fall
c) that the presence of the helmet on your head somehow caused the kerb to be there, or be more pointy than normal
d) that the presence of the helmet on your head somehow made the impact worse than it would have been otherwise
e) that other forms of injury would still have happened or indeed could have been made worse by virtue of wearing a helmet.

or any one of countless other things that you wouldn't expect....

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There is no proof that did help you avoid an injury. But that won't stop folk from speculating that it did

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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby Wanlock Dod » 25 Mar 2019, 7:24pm

There’s a lot to be said for not falling over, whether you are walking or cycling, protective equipment isn’t much of a solution. Personally I would go for a step-through bike, why make things difficult for yourself.

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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby paddler » 25 Mar 2019, 8:03pm

Cunobelin wrote:
Brucey wrote:it probably did help you avoid an injury. But that won't stop folk from speculating that it

a) didn't
b) that the presence of the helmet on your head somehow caused you to fall
c) that the presence of the helmet on your head somehow caused the kerb to be there, or be more pointy than normal
d) that the presence of the helmet on your head somehow made the impact worse than it would have been otherwise
e) that other forms of injury would still have happened or indeed could have been made worse by virtue of wearing a helmet.

or any one of countless other things that you wouldn't expect....

cheers



There is no proof that did help you avoid an injury. But that won't stop folk from speculating that it did


True, perhaps. But having reached the age of 61, and having banged my head a few times along the way, I know what sort of force against a hard surface will hurt me.

I also own two helmets, which I both wear or don't wear, depending. I know that, with those helmets, if I banged my head hard enough to dent them, it would hurt.

I'm therefore happy to speculate that in this case, his did save him from injury, however minor.

' Every person is of course free to decide for themselves whether to wear one. I don't wear mine for most 'utility' riding.

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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby softlips » 25 Mar 2019, 10:37pm

Cunobelin wrote:
mercalia wrote:my Lidl helmet prevented a bad knock. As I got off my bike I fell backwards against an edge of a path, not very hard but the helmet showed the indent which would have been my head I assume. Thats the sort of accident I would assume a helmet is useful for ?



Absolutely, many pedestrians suffer exactly this type of energy and they could all benefit from wearing helmets


Indeed. One of my patients died falling off his bike while stationary, hadn’t even got into the seat.

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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby Steady rider » 25 Mar 2019, 11:06pm

my Lidl helmet prevented a bad knock. As I got off my bike I fell backwards against an edge of a path, not very hard but the helmet showed the indent which would have been my head I assume. Thats the sort of accident I would assume a helmet is useful for ?


Had you ever fell off previous when getting off your bike, when not wearing a helmet?

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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby willcee » 26 Mar 2019, 12:10am

About 60 odd years ago when being instructed by my Father, I was taught to mount from the left side, left foot on left pedal ,run the bike forward and mount while moving throwing the right leg over the frame behind the saddle.. I probably did this for some years, he , my father was a strict teacher and every spring and summer evening back in those far off days my brother and I aged 7/8 and 5/6 were instructed religiously in road traffic manners on the quiet country roads near our home, until he felt we were no danger to ourselves or traffic.. it worked we never had any incidents with traffic, yes we fell off, but it took the worry out of his head that he had taught us the correct way, he was the same with firearms..
These days, well in the past 6 years with hip issues I always mount from the right side, doing exactly what that chap in the video does.. bring the bike down, and mount at the lower position..Total Hip Relacement last Oct, left leg, afterwards I took it really easy , had to..and still mount right side, but holding a 45lb E bike at that angle is not as easy as on a 18lb lightweight, for me its manageable, and worked for me.. before the op I had issues while mounting and dismounting, nothing while cycling, except no standing up pedaling..
Always wear a helmet, better half has had Brain surgery,not an injury from any accident , your head is one area you don't want to take chances with.. watching her recover from a severe vasospasm, induced as a result of the deep surgery..I never leave without it...and it has saved me several times. will

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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby landsurfer » 26 Mar 2019, 6:35am

My only accident in 50 years of Cycling was caused by a cyclist knocking me off ..... he wasn't wearing a helmet .. :)
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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby mjr » 26 Mar 2019, 8:57am

willcee wrote:Always wear a helmet, better half has had Brain surgery,not an injury from any accident , your head is one area you don't want to take chances with.. watching her recover from a severe vasospasm, induced as a result of the deep surgery..I never leave without it...and it has saved me several times. will

And there is the central absurdity: if us normal riders were dying at the rate that users claim to have been saved, we'd have died out by now and the debate would be over!

I don't want to risk a neck injury or unnecessary head strike, so I'm not taking the chance of strapping a voluminous weight to the top of my head.
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