Pastychomper wrote: I gather the risks around weirs are well known among canoeists and kayakers, so presumably their LJs are easy enough to remove while spinning underwater.
They are, and are treated with great circumspection.
Pastychomper wrote: I gather the risks around weirs are well known among canoeists and kayakers, so presumably their LJs are easy enough to remove while spinning underwater.
THE SCOTTISH Fishermen’s Federation (SFF) has decided against backing a call made by the Marine Accident Investigation Branch to make the wearing of lifejackets compulsory for commercial fishermen.
Maritime New Zealand (MNZ) supports a move to make the wearing of lifejackets compulsory for people under 15, and continues to encourage everyone on the water to wear lifejackets at all times.
The move to make lifejackets compulsory for young people, the subject of a private member's bill from National MP Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga, is similar to legislation already enacted in the United States, US Coast Guard Chief of Boating Safety Jeff Hoedt says.
Mr Hoedt is in New Zealand on an MNZ-sponsored visit to speak on water safety initiatives, and said US Federal law, also reflected in most states, made lifejackets compulsory for anyone under 13 years of age.
A coroner in Enniskillen has called for life jackets and flotation devices to be made compulsory on Northern Ireland's waterways.
Joe McCrisken was speaking at an inquest into the drowning of an experienced boatsman in Fermanagh.
Michael Beattie had been drinking alcohol which may have played a part in the tragedy.
The former commodore of Lough Erne Yacht Club slipped and drowned in icy conditions.
The coroner viewed CCTV footage which showed him struggling in the almost freezing water for almost two hours.
Mike Sales wrote:Pastychomper wrote:One difference between halmits and life-jackets is that LJs have been shown to increase the chances of survival in many of the situations for which they are recommended.
Have they been shown to increase chances of survival? I have never seen any population level studies of LJs of the sort which show no helmet benefit.
Cyril Haearn wrote:Right about LJs on canals surely, wearing one could be an impediment, makes one bigger and less manoeuvrable
Vorpal wrote:Mike Sales wrote:Pastychomper wrote:One difference between halmits and life-jackets is that LJs have been shown to increase the chances of survival in many of the situations for which they are recommended.
Have they been shown to increase chances of survival? I have never seen any population level studies of LJs of the sort which show no helmet benefit.
The US Coast Guard have summarised available studies https://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.americanc ... _Maxim.pdf
While the data have some of the same problems that helmet studies do, for example, looking only at boaters who have had an accident (and not at those who haven't), they do show a significant benefit to wearing a life jacket.
I used to do a fair amount of canoing (open boat type), and was dumped out of more than one canoe that capsized. It was always an inexperienced person whom I was teaching to paddle that capsized the canoe. While I did not wear life jackets, I did hit my head a couple of times; a sort of thing that could easily be severe enough to result in drowning, even for an experienced canoist & strong swimmer. What's more, I was out on the water with inexperienced folks, and knowing what I know now, I would wear a life jacket in the same situation.
p.s. life jackets are a legal requirement in some places & circumstances
Vorpal wrote:Mike Sales wrote:Pastychomper wrote:One difference between halmits and life-jackets is that LJs have been shown to increase the chances of survival in many of the situations for which they are recommended.
Have they been shown to increase chances of survival? I have never seen any population level studies of LJs of the sort which show no helmet benefit.
The US Coast Guard have summarised available studies https://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.americanc ... _Maxim.pdf
While the data have some of the same problems that helmet studies do, for example, looking only at boaters who have had an accident (and not at those who haven't), they do show a significant benefit to wearing a life jacket.
I used to do a fair amount of canoing (open boat type), and was dumped out of more than one canoe that capsized. It was always an inexperienced person whom I was teaching to paddle that capsized the canoe. While I did not wear life jackets, I did hit my head a couple of times; a sort of thing that could easily be severe enough to result in drowning, even for an experienced canoist & strong swimmer. What's more, I was out on the water with inexperienced folks, and knowing what I know now, I would wear a life jacket in the same situation.
p.s. life jackets are a legal requirement in some places & circumstances
Mike Sales wrote:I wrote that I was not aware of a compulsory LJ lobby.
I have now taken the trouble to search and found that I was very wrong.
https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2016/11/03/fishermen-against-compulsory-wearing-of-lifejackets/THE SCOTTISH Fishermen’s Federation (SFF) has decided against backing a call made by the Marine Accident Investigation Branch to make the wearing of lifejackets compulsory for commercial fishermen.
https://safety4sea.com/mnz-supports-compulsory-lifejacket-law/Maritime New Zealand (MNZ) supports a move to make the wearing of lifejackets compulsory for people under 15, and continues to encourage everyone on the water to wear lifejackets at all times.
The move to make lifejackets compulsory for young people, the subject of a private member's bill from National MP Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga, is similar to legislation already enacted in the United States, US Coast Guard Chief of Boating Safety Jeff Hoedt says.
Mr Hoedt is in New Zealand on an MNZ-sponsored visit to speak on water safety initiatives, and said US Federal law, also reflected in most states, made lifejackets compulsory for anyone under 13 years of age.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45486710A coroner in Enniskillen has called for life jackets and flotation devices to be made compulsory on Northern Ireland's waterways.
Joe McCrisken was speaking at an inquest into the drowning of an experienced boatsman in Fermanagh.
Michael Beattie had been drinking alcohol which may have played a part in the tragedy.
The former commodore of Lough Erne Yacht Club slipped and drowned in icy conditions.
The coroner viewed CCTV footage which showed him struggling in the almost freezing water for almost two hours.
I should have expected it.
firedfromthecircus wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:A helmet, a lifejacket and a poppy are standard issue as far as I can see.
I wonder which one would cause the largest volume of coruscating correspondence were it to be lacking from a presenters person?
Cyril Haearn wrote:Learned something new again, about LJs (floating jackets, safety jackets?), +1!
I always wore a seatbelt when driving, is there something to be said against that? First car had static belts, they were a bit inconvenient
What about HS elsewhere, at work for example? I got offered a job in a firm where I should have had to visit the warehouse a lot, full of idiots enjoying driving forklifts, yakking, telephoning, turned it down. In a warehouse separation is desirable I think
Someone at work has a helmut* that is quite tight to the head, the helmeted head is not much bigger than the plain head. Is that less bad than helmets that extend back and front, all round?
*Helmut, German boys name: 'bright courage'
Cyril Haearn wrote:What was the punishment for wearing the wrong socks?
My trousers are long, my legs are short so no-one sees my socks
Cyril Haearn wrote:Learned something new again, about LJs (floating jackets, safety jackets?), +1!
I always wore a seatbelt when driving, is there something to be said against that?
Cyril Haearn wrote:Someone at work has a helmut* that is quite tight to the head, the helmeted head is not much bigger than the plain head. Is that less bad than helmets that extend back and front, all round?