Four year old killed by bike helmet.

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Re: Four year old killed by bike helmet.

Postby Mick F » 13 Feb 2020, 8:40am

Exactly.
As I said, read the forum for yourself and make your own mind up.

None of the things you listed are an irrelevance IMO and many other people's opinion either.
Make you own mind up.

Back to the case in point regarding the little girl.
The helmet killed her. The fact that she wasn't cycling, is an irrelevance.
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Re: Four year old killed by bike helmet.

Postby BlueRider » 13 Feb 2020, 8:59am

Mick F wrote:Exactly.
As I said, read the forum for yourself and make your own mind up.

None of the things you listed are an irrelevance IMO and many other people's opinion either.
Make you own mind up.

Back to the case in point regarding the little girl.
The helmet killed her. The fact that she wasn't cycling, is an irrelevance.


And thus in relation to helmet use for cycling, the unfortunate incident is in itself an irrelevence.

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Re: Four year old killed by bike helmet.

Postby pwa » 13 Feb 2020, 9:20am

I sent my own kids out to play many times with clothing inappropriate and potentially dangerous for tree climbing. They sometimes went out with wellies on, great for the activity of den construction that they did under the trees near our house but not for climbing those trees. They went out with baggy coats that kept the wind off on cold days and allowed them to get outdoor exercise, but those coats could again be hazardous if they got snagged up a tree. And yes, they did go out with lids on sometimes. If I had seen them tree climbing I would have told them to ditch the lids, but parenting is an inexact science and it does involve taking risks. I didn't normally know when my kids were going to climb trees so I don't remember making sure they were kitted out to do it with minimal risk. Should I have made sure they never went out to play with baggy clothing, with wellies or with a cycle lid?

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Re: Four year old killed by bike helmet.

Postby Mick F » 13 Feb 2020, 9:51am

Nicely put, Niggle.

As for kids wearing inappropriate clothing for playing out or climbing trees, I think we've all done it. This poor little girl was doing it too.

Vorpal quite rightly said that in Sweden, the kid's helmets are designed to release.

I've been surfing the 'net on and off these past few days on this subject, and I can find kid-specific bike helmets with green clips that are designed to quick release. Stiga for instance.
https://www.stigasports.com/eu/play-wit ... elmet-pink

Look at various UK online bike shops and although they list lots of kid-specific helmets, none of them (that I've found) say they release.

Three at random.
https://www.wiggle.co.uk/bell-bellino-kids-helmet-2/
https://www.evanscycles.com/giro-dime-k ... s-EV365071
https://www.halfords.com/scooters/scoot ... 02035.html
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Re: Four year old killed by bike helmet.

Postby Vorpal » 14 Feb 2020, 1:34pm

The posts about the value (or lack thereof) of helmets for cycling have been split off from this thread.

They are now located viewtopic.php?f=41&t=135487

Please leave this thread for the discussion about the case in the OP.

Thanks.
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Re: Four year old killed by bike helmet.

Postby Mick F » 15 Feb 2020, 6:51pm

It so happens, that we were in a store this afternoon and they had a bike department.
I went over to look at the helmets.

Some were labelled Kids Helmets, and I took a couple out of their boxes and had a good look. I took photographs and also tried out the clips.
Not one of them would release no matter how I pulled and none had green clips.
Note that they don't have CE 1080.
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Re: Four year old killed by bike helmet.

Postby Bonefishblues » 15 Feb 2020, 8:10pm

Here's the mythical green buckle:

https://www.cyclebrother.com/accessorie ... ckle-green

Nothing came up in the UK...

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Re: Four year old killed by bike helmet.

Postby niggle » 15 Feb 2020, 11:14pm

Had a look at Halfords helmet offerings for kids, there are 74 different models so just took a look at a few and found a toddler's helmet and a 4 years+ helmet showing the specific model's EC Declaration of conformity, both just referring to EN 1078

Toddler helmet:

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4 yrs+:

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Something weird seems to be going on.

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Re: Four year old killed by bike helmet.

Postby Mick F » 16 Feb 2020, 7:10am

niggle wrote:Something weird seems to be going on.
..................... and dangerous too.

Parents who buy these are unsuspecting of the issues. They see a CE EN standard, and they believe it to be correct. I too would have been happy to buy those ................... but now we know ................

Personally, if I were to buy a helmet for myself or anyone, I would source a green safety buckle and modify the straps to fit it.
If a helmet is going to save your bonce form being bashed, it better not strangle you at the same time .......... no matter how unlikely that scenario may be.


Can you buy these green buckles separately?
They must be available somewhere.
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Re: Four year old killed by bike helmet.

Postby Bsteel » 16 Feb 2020, 7:44am

The place to look in the UK is in a Swedish chain of stores.

https://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Pink-Stig ... /31-1830-1

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Re: Four year old killed by bike helmet.

Postby Bonefishblues » 16 Feb 2020, 8:41am

Bsteel wrote:The place to look in the UK is in a Swedish chain of stores.

https://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Pink-Stig ... /31-1830-1

More from Stiga here: https://www.stigasports.com/eu/choose-a ... e-of-seven

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Re: Four year old killed by bike helmet.

Postby Bonefishblues » 16 Feb 2020, 8:41am

Bonefishblues wrote:
Bsteel wrote:The place to look in the UK is in a Swedish chain of stores.

https://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Pink-Stig ... /31-1830-1

More from Stiga here: https://www.stigasports.com/eu/choose-a ... e-of-seven


...and these guys get it: https://helmets.org/playgrou.htm
...citing previous incidents.

Who should we alert/lobby here?

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Re: Four year old killed by bike helmet.

Postby Oldjohnw » 16 Feb 2020, 8:46am

Bonefishblues wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:
Bsteel wrote:The place to look in the UK is in a Swedish chain of stores.

https://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Pink-Stig ... /31-1830-1

More from Stiga here: https://www.stigasports.com/eu/choose-a ... e-of-seven


...and these guys get it: https://helmets.org/playgrou.htm
...citing previous incidents.

Who should we alert/lobby here?


The Health and Safety Executive and local authorities.
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Re: Four year old killed by bike helmet.

Postby Bonefishblues » 16 Feb 2020, 8:50am

Oldjohnw wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:More from Stiga here: https://www.stigasports.com/eu/choose-a ... e-of-seven


...and these guys get it: https://helmets.org/playgrou.htm
...citing previous incidents.

Who should we alert/lobby here?


The Health and Safety Executive and local authorities.

I understand the HSE, but why LAs?

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Re: Four year old killed by bike helmet.

Postby Mick F » 16 Feb 2020, 9:03am

Oldjohnw wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:
Who should we alert/lobby here?


The Health and Safety Executive and local authorities.
I'm getting quite emotional about this subject. This question of "who" has been in my brain these past couple of days.

Our "local" MP isn't local, and TBH I think she's a waste of space, so I won't be contacting her.
https://members.parliament.uk/member/4100/contact

Another idea of mine was to go to a major outlet and speak to the manager. Halfords for instance.
Maybe write a nice but strong letter to the major helmet manufacturers.
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