Helmet manufacturer confirms helmets are not designed for incidents involving motorvehicles

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Helmet manufacturer confirms helmets are not designed for incidents involving motorvehicles

Postby The utility cyclist » 6 Jul 2020, 8:34pm

As we always knew

Senior Brand Development Manager Eric Richter says there are "many misconceptions about helmets", and that when it comes to collisions with motor vehicles, it isn't possible to design a bicycle helmet specifically built to protect the user: “We do not design helmets specifically to reduce chances or severity of injury when impacts involve a car"

https://cyclingindustry.news/discussion ... -revision/
Still loads of ignorant waffle in the article mind.

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Helmet manufacturer confirms helmets are useless in incidents involving motorvehicles

Postby Syd » 6 Jul 2020, 8:50pm

The utility cyclist wrote:As we always knew

Senior Brand Development Manager Eric Richter says there are "many misconceptions about helmets", and that when it comes to collisions with motor vehicles, it isn't possible to design a bicycle helmet specifically built to protect the user: “We do not design helmets specifically to reduce chances or severity of injury when impacts involve a car"

https://cyclingindustry.news/discussion ... -revision/
Still loads of ignorant waffle in the article mind.

Just like the waffle in the title?

I see nothing in the article where a helmet manufacturer states they are ‘useless in event of incidents involving motor vehicles.’

A butter knife is not designed as a screwdriver but it does not a bad job in a pinch.

I do believe, given the variables in any crash, then it can vary from having some use you very little, if any, at all but to simply state useless is a bit disingenuous.

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Re: Helmet manufacturer confirms helmets are useless in incidents involving motorvehicles

Postby tim-b » 6 Jul 2020, 9:01pm

Hi
Still loads of ignorant waffle in the article mind

It's an article about revising helmet standards in the context of e-bikes and their capabilities, helmet developments such as MIPS, etc
It also contains red herrings such as CTE which occurs in people with a "history of repetitive brain trauma" (Boston University CTE Center https://concussionfoundation.org/CTE-resources/what-is-CTE) and doesn't seem to be an issue for the average cyclist

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Re: Helmet manufacturer confirms helmets are useless in incidents involving motorvehicles

Postby Lakelander » 6 Jul 2020, 9:07pm

It seem LS the OP has taken liberties with the actual content and made his title reflect his thoughts rather than the message.

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Re: Helmet manufacturer confirms helmets are useless in incidents involving motorvehicles

Postby The utility cyclist » 6 Jul 2020, 9:41pm

Syd wrote:
The utility cyclist wrote:As we always knew

Senior Brand Development Manager Eric Richter says there are "many misconceptions about helmets", and that when it comes to collisions with motor vehicles, it isn't possible to design a bicycle helmet specifically built to protect the user: “We do not design helmets specifically to reduce chances or severity of injury when impacts involve a car"

https://cyclingindustry.news/discussion ... -revision/
Still loads of ignorant waffle in the article mind.

Just like the waffle in the title?

I see nothing in the article where a helmet manufacturer states they are ‘useless in event of incidents involving motor vehicles.’

A butter knife is not designed as a screwdriver but it does not a bad job in a pinch.

I do believe, given the variables in any crash, then it can vary from having some use you very little, if any, at all but to simply state useless is a bit disingenuous.

Really, do explain?
The waffle is the failure to acknowledge that helmets are not the solution to safe/r cycling, trying to continue to make more money from ignorant punters is the persons job, I get that, but they ignore that sports governing bodies that introduced helmets made that sport more dangerous
Cycling
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Gridiron
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Cricket

We know full well that enthusiast cyclists in the modern era have far more self induced crashes and injuries amongst clubs/organised events and despite the huge increase of helmet wearing in this country, improved motorvehicle safety to those outside, more infra and no increase in cycling journeys since at least the mid 00s, cycling KSIs have gone nowhere.

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Re: Helmet manufacturer confirms helmets are useless in incidents involving motorvehicles

Postby Navara » 6 Jul 2020, 10:03pm

The utility cyclist wrote:
Syd wrote:
The utility cyclist wrote:As we always knew

Senior Brand Development Manager Eric Richter says there are "many misconceptions about helmets", and that when it comes to collisions with motor vehicles, it isn't possible to design a bicycle helmet specifically built to protect the user: “We do not design helmets specifically to reduce chances or severity of injury when impacts involve a car"

https://cyclingindustry.news/discussion ... -revision/
Still loads of ignorant waffle in the article mind.

Just like the waffle in the title?

I see nothing in the article where a helmet manufacturer states they are ‘useless in event of incidents involving motor vehicles.’

A butter knife is not designed as a screwdriver but it does not a bad job in a pinch.

I do believe, given the variables in any crash, then it can vary from having some use you very little, if any, at all but to simply state useless is a bit disingenuous.

Really, do explain?
The waffle is the failure to acknowledge that helmets are not the solution to safe/r cycling, trying to continue to make more money from ignorant punters is the persons job, I get that, but they ignore that sports governing bodies that introduced helmets made that sport more dangerous
Cycling
Boxing
Gridiron
Ice Hockey
Cricket
We know full well that enthusiast cyclists in the modern era have far more self induced crashes and injuries amongst clubs/organised events and despite the huge increase of helmet wearing in this country, improved motorvehicle safety to those outside, more infra and no increase in cycling journeys since at least the mid 00s, cycling KSIs have gone nowhere.


All your statements may or may not be correct depending on each individuals interpretation.What the article does not do is state what the title of your thread says.That is your interpretation of what the article states.My interpretation differs from yours.
The helmet argument is almost as unwinnable as the flats/spds or FS/HT or Carbon/Aluminum argument and therefore just as pointless.
Trying to gain points with such a misleading thread title put the your argument on the back foot from the off!

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Re: Helmet manufacturer confirms helmets are useless in incidents involving motorvehicles

Postby Syd » 6 Jul 2020, 10:04pm

The utility cyclist wrote:
Syd wrote:
The utility cyclist wrote:As we always knew

Senior Brand Development Manager Eric Richter says there are "many misconceptions about helmets", and that when it comes to collisions with motor vehicles, it isn't possible to design a bicycle helmet specifically built to protect the user: “We do not design helmets specifically to reduce chances or severity of injury when impacts involve a car"

https://cyclingindustry.news/discussion ... -revision/
Still loads of ignorant waffle in the article mind.

Just like the waffle in the title?

I see nothing in the article where a helmet manufacturer states they are ‘useless in event of incidents involving motor vehicles.’

A butter knife is not designed as a screwdriver but it does not a bad job in a pinch.

I do believe, given the variables in any crash, then it can vary from having some use you very little, if any, at all but to simply state useless is a bit disingenuous.

Really, do explain?
The waffle is the failure to acknowledge that helmets are not the solution to safe/r cycling, trying to continue to make more money from ignorant punters is the persons job, I get that, but they ignore that sports governing bodies that introduced helmets made that sport more dangerous
Cycling
Boxing
Gridiron
Ice Hockey
Cricket

We know full well that enthusiast cyclists in the modern era have far more self induced crashes and injuries amongst clubs/organised events and despite the huge increase of helmet wearing in this country, improved motorvehicle safety to those outside, more infra and no increase in cycling journeys since at least the mid 00s, cycling KSIs have gone nowhere.

I already have explained. You may wish to make the next sentence bold too.

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Re: Helmet manufacturer confirms helmets are not designed for incidents involving motorvehicles

Postby [XAP]Bob » 8 Jul 2020, 9:16am

If they're having to redesign helmets for bike riders doesn't that rather imply that they don't do anywhere near the job they should for any rider capable of 15mph...

I used to average a little over that on my electrically assisted commute, but significantly more on my non electrified commute.

The concept that they should be redesigned to account for 15mph rather illustrates the point that the original design standards approximate a head falling off your shoulders from a standstill and hitting the ground in a straight line (i.e. a fall of 1.5m, which produces a 12mph vertical component*).

Good to see that they are looking at rotational accelerations, but to be honest there simply aren't enough tbis from cycling to merit the amount of attention it receives.



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Re: Helmet manufacturer confirms helmets are not designed for incidents involving motorvehicles

Postby Mick F » 8 Jul 2020, 10:51am

Started to read the linked article.
Then I got bored with the waffle, and scan read the rest. Wish I'd not bothered.
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Postby Syd » 8 Jul 2020, 12:11pm

I see the title has now been edited / changed.

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Postby mjr » 8 Jul 2020, 12:12pm

I would say "don't worry, a fanatic will be along soon to claim that helmets do something beneficial in multi vehicle collisions, contrary to most research and the manufacturers' own warnings" but it seems some arrived here before me!
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Postby Syd » 8 Jul 2020, 12:56pm

mjr wrote:I would say "don't worry, a fanatic will be along soon to claim that helmets do something beneficial in multi vehicle collisions, contrary to most research and the manufacturers' own warnings" but it seems some arrived here before me!

There are too many random variables to say what with happen in any collusion never mind multiple vehicle ones.

One seemingly random injury was when I ended up having a perfect chainring injury in an incident where a car hit me. Problem is it is on my left leg not my right

My problem was with the original title not the content of the linked article.

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Re: Helmet manufacturer confirms helmets are not designed for incidents involving motorvehicles

Postby Mick F » 8 Jul 2020, 3:36pm

Syd wrote:One seemingly random injury was when I ended up having ....................
............... being hit by a buzzard.

http://www.bikeweb.org.uk/newsarchive14.htm

Scroll down to May 2005.
The buzzard attacks in North Devon again. The first reported strike is from Mick Fairhurst of Gunnislake, who was struck on the back of his helmet, near Halwill Junction on the A3079.
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Postby Syd » 8 Jul 2020, 3:51pm

Mick F wrote:
Syd wrote:One seemingly random injury was when I ended up having ....................
............... being hit by a buzzard.

http://www.bikeweb.org.uk/newsarchive14.htm

Scroll down to May 2005.
The buzzard attacks in North Devon again. The first reported strike is from Mick Fairhurst of Gunnislake, who was struck on the back of his helmet, near Halwill Junction on the A3079.

Thankfully not had something that random yet thought have nearly been hit by a couple of pheasants.

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Re: Helmet manufacturer confirms helmets are not designed for incidents involving motorvehicles

Postby simonineaston » 8 Jul 2020, 3:57pm

Donks ago, I knew an A&E consultant who simply remarked that she'd not seen a single serious injury resulting from cyclist v motor vehicle, where the helmet had made the tiniest bit of difference...
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