Two separate threads?

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Two separate threads?

Postby Mick F » 30 Aug 2020, 9:12am

What about the idea of two separate threads, with one pro-helmet and the other anti-helmet?

Very important!!! Be disciplined about this, and only the pro can post on the pro, and only the anti can post on the anti.

This would give two separate and distinct arguments, that anyone "sitting on the fence" about helmet use can look at both sides without getting bogged down with opposing views all mixed up and clouding the issue.

We could give two separate links to people, in the clear knowledge that they won't be embroiled in it all and will see the pros and cons of it all.

What do we think?
Good idea or not?
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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby Jdsk » 30 Aug 2020, 9:17am

I'd do that rather differently... offer blog space for anyone who feels strongly to put their own views at as much length as they feel like. With an attached discussion. And then they can refer to that blog with a single link from other threads.

No "censorship", and many of the other threads would benefit enormously.

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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby thirdcrank » 30 Aug 2020, 10:15am

An ideal project for anybody who finds they have time on their hands: the subject has been well-covered as in "done to death" and fortunately, almost all the relevant material has been conveniently dumped in one place. It all just needs assembling in two coherent "for" and against "arguments" using neutral language and then presenting for general perusal.

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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby Cyril Haearn » 30 Aug 2020, 10:21am

Several different versions could be provided, in particular a short summary that one could read in five minutes or less
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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby Navara » 30 Aug 2020, 10:33am

No need.
Wear one if you want to.
Don't wear one if you don't.

Not much else to say on the matter is there?

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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby Mick F » 30 Aug 2020, 2:42pm

Navara wrote:Not much else to say on the matter is there?
From your lips to God's ears! :lol:
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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby Mike Sales » 30 Aug 2020, 3:02pm

Navara wrote:No need.
Wear one if you want to.
Don't wear one if you don't.

Not much else to say on the matter is there?


Except that that is the situation in this country at the moment.

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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby pjclinch » 31 Aug 2020, 6:59pm

Mick F wrote:What about the idea of two separate threads, with one pro-helmet and the other anti-helmet?


Where would that leave me, do you think?

Part of the problem with "the helmet debate" is misconstruing the reality that it isn't a simple black and white issue. More the case that the "debate" itself is the problem, suggesting that the things themselves are significant issues in cyclist safety.

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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby thirdcrank » 31 Aug 2020, 7:14pm

I fear somebody has taken the bait.

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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby pjclinch » 1 Sep 2020, 7:39am

thirdcrank wrote:I fear somebody has taken the bait.

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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby Mick F » 1 Sep 2020, 9:13am

My idea was that anyone sitting on the fence wouldn't be able to post on either thread.
Just a pro thread and an anti thread.

For the record, I'm anti though have worn one for a few years just out of habit. Definitely anti now.
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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby Cyril Haearn » 1 Sep 2020, 9:15am

N+1!
Then we need a separate thread for 'don't knows', if there are any :wink:
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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby pjclinch » 1 Sep 2020, 1:51pm

Mick F wrote:My idea was that anyone sitting on the fence wouldn't be able to post on either thread.
Just a pro thread and an anti thread.

For the record, I'm anti though have worn one for a few years just out of habit. Definitely anti now.


This is what I was getting at in my sense-of-humour failure above. What do you actually mean by "anti"?

The Utility Cyclist, for example is clearly anti-helmet. He is, as far as I can tell, against any use of helmets by anyone. I have been informed by some denizens of the Interweb that I am an "anti-helmet zealot", but as the pic I use here and on twitter (probably my most public internet face) show me wearing... a cycle helmet, and I don't have that much trouble with anyone choosing to wear one for themselves, I don't think I rate an "anti-helmet" position. I am not "don't know", I think it's not a simple black and white issue and is all about context, nuance and individuals.

Pro and Anti suggests either everyone should wear or nobody should wear one. The actuality is a bit more complicated than that. I'm absolutely "anti" the over-promotion of helmets and laws enforcing their wearing, but that's not the same thing as "helmets".

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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby De Sisti » 2 Sep 2020, 7:04am

Cheltenham CC's facebook page has lit up with a helmet debate (I think some people on rides have suggested more should wear them). From what I've read, it has been suggested that a vote (by club members) should take place to decide on mandatory helmet wearing on club rides. Pro helmet wearing comments seem to be in the majority (with jibes, such as riders being a burden on family and the nhs after suffering from a helmetless crash).

*I'm pro choice (sometimes wearing a helmet, sometimes not).

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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby Mick F » 2 Sep 2020, 9:02am

My idea is that anti or pro is personal preference, not dictatorship.

If you are anti, you could feel that all helmets are pointless and would be happy to speak to helmet wearers and try to educate them into not being sheep and following the "fashion" without thought.

If you are pro, you could feel that all cyclists should wear a helmet because it's common sense and an easy thing to wear. They too would be happy to talk to non-helmet wearers to try to educate them and that it's not fashion, but a necessity.

Note the words, "could".

Dictatorship is an entirely different argument.
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