Two separate threads?

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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby pjclinch » 7 Sep 2020, 6:14am

Mick F wrote:Seems simple to me.


To borrow a catch-phrase of Dr. Ben Goldacre, "I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that"...
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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby [XAP]Bob » 8 Sep 2020, 9:07am

Mick F wrote:Back to my OP and others of mine.

Discipline.
Stay on your side of the house.





Pointless, I feel.
I've been out-voted on this idea. :cry:


But what of those who don't fit into either of the convenient boxes you create?

I'm strongly anti-compulsion, anti-promotion, but pro-choice (though as with many things I feel that choice should be conscious on the part of the decision maker).

The efficacy of cycle grade helmets is approximately zero, but if through risk compensation they get more people cycling that's a good thing - if, however, their use suggests that cycling is in some way dangerous and reduces the number of people cycling then that's a bad thing.
The balance there is very very difficult.
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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby rmurphy195 » 15 Sep 2020, 7:34pm

When I saw the title I thought you meant having a separate thread for face coverings!

Wrong again!

However separate threads for discussion about helmets, and compulsory wearing of helmets, and a separate one for statistics/research findings etc. might be more to the point. I'm for helmets, but against compulsion, and wear one based on my own (often hard) experiences and close shaves over the years on two wheels(with/withpout motors), but get fed up of finding that people who ask about purchasing advice, for example, have the replies swamped by the anti-wearing, anti-compulsion contributors so separating the the three might at least allow people to find the answers to theier queries in all the other stuff.
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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby rmurphy195 » 15 Sep 2020, 7:36pm

recumbentpanda wrote:I think the idea of to separate threads is great -just not separating the discussion into two partisan echo chambers. Instead, I propose: one thread, for the discussion of the efficacy and desirability of helmets, as per the present discussion, and another for those wishing to wear helmets and who wish to discuss the pros and cons of different models, design features etc etc, free from partisan objections from either side.


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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby rmurphy195 » 15 Sep 2020, 7:37pm

Mick F wrote:
thirdcrank wrote:
Mick F wrote: ... Two separate presentations setting out your store.
The readers can then make their own minds up.


As I posted. It's been done to death. It just needs somebody with time on their hands to volunteer to sort it into two neat piles. When that's done, if anybody notices something missing, they can make a neat addition to the appropriate heap.
TC, you are correct of course, but that's not what I'm getting at.

In order to sort the stuff out, it needs someone to read it all. It perhaps needs a Mod to weed out the two (or more) sides of the argument(s). Impossible task methinks.


I'll try again to put my idea forwards.

I'm suggesting ................

The people who like helmets and want to tell people why they like them and why they wear them, can post on one thread.

The other side of the house, can post on another thread about why they don't like them and why they don't wear them and why they want to tell people about it.

Seems simple to me.


It is, and start with a clean sheet i.e. delete the original thread which is full of repetition anyway, often long winded at that and by now much of it outdated by newer research.!
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Re: Two separate threads?

Postby Jdsk » 15 Sep 2020, 7:40pm

rmurphy195 wrote:... but get fed up of finding that people who ask about purchasing advice, for example, have the replies swamped by the anti-wearing, anti-compulsion contributors so separating the the three might at least allow people to find the answers to theier queries in all the other stuff.

Agreed.
My proposal to address this posted above:
https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=140623#p1524920

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