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= What I feel when I read the threads on this section of the forum, well you've got to laugh haven't you !
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If it didn't put so many in danger, it would be hilarious.
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I understand the argument for/against helmets but is there really evidence that comments on these pages have actually put anyone in danger. Apart from theoretically?
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mjr wrote:If it didn't put so many in danger, it would be hilarious.



I don't think he really finds it amusing: I doubt he even cracked a smile.
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Oldjohnw wrote:I understand the argument for/against helmets but is there really evidence that comments 9n these pages have actually put anyone in danger. Apart from theoretically?


The main danger isn't to the likes of yourself wearing a lid, it's for folk not going cycling and consequently not being active. Check out e.g. Peter Walker's recent "The Miracle Pill" for the degree to which inactivity is a deadly, widespread and expensive problem. There's an increasing pile of evidence that pushing helmets as a "solution" to cycle safety puts people off cycling.

(one might point to studies that helmets e.g. make neck injuries significantly more likely, but all the same reasons why the case/control work on head trauma isn't sound apply to other case/control work on helmets too, so cherry picking tends to be involved, and you've also got stuff where folk in helmets crash more but while that's a correlation it isn't necessarily causation at the individual level, which is probably what most individuals are interested in)

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pjclinch wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:I understand the argument for/against helmets but is there really evidence that comments 9n these pages have actually put anyone in danger. Apart from theoretically?


The main danger isn't to the likes of yourself wearing a lid, it's for folk not going cycling and consequently not being active. Check out e.g. Peter Walker's recent "The Miracle Pill" for the degree to which inactivity is a deadly, widespread and expensive problem.

(one might point to studies that helmets e.g. make neck injuries significantly more likely, but all the same reasons why the case/control work on head trauma isn't sound apply to other case/control work on helmets too, so cherry picking tends to be involved, and you've also got stuff where folk in helmets crash more but while that's a correlation it isn't necessarily causation at the individual level, which is probably what most individuals are interested in)

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I understand the argument for/against helmets but is there really evidence that comments 9n these pages have actually put anyone in danger. Apart from theoretically?


There is evidence showing helmets incur more impacts than would occur for those not wearing.
There is evidence of some children being strangled by helmet straps.
There is evidence indicating a higher accident rate can occur to helmet wearers, due in part to helmets themselves.
There is evidence of an increased risk leading to postconcussion syndrome in adults.
There is evidence that helmet laws discourage cycling, with social, health and legal aspects.
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AFAIK there was one case of a child being strangled by a strap but not cycling. I would be interested in other evidence of this
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https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... se_revised
page 3, refer to Au info and 4 deaths. Which one did you have in mind?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet has a section

https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Rele ... aygrounds/
One in Canada and one in the USA are mentioned.
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