Northern Ireland proposes cycle helmet law

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Re: Northern Ireland proposes cycle helmet law

Postby [XAP]Bob » 18 Aug 2010, 11:09pm

Nutsey wrote:Boris johnson is the biggest barrier to helmet compulsion in England today. He often gets 'caught' riding without one and defends himself, and encouraged cyclists in London NOT to bother - mentioning strength in numbers and deterring new cyclists etc.

If such a law were to be considered, he (and cameron) would be the people most listened to by those in power, so chill out.


Two excellent examples

Sorry - did I really just say that about two politicians?
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Re: Northern Ireland proposes cycle helmet law

Postby SilverBadge » 19 Aug 2010, 2:06am

Ron wrote:
Pedestrian wrote:Any idea what groups are campaigning for this?

The dreaded Headway, masters of misinformation. are involved.


>>The charity's spokesman added: "Alongside the evidence that cycle helmets save lives and prevent lifelong disability is the common sense notion that wearing a helmet surely provides one's fragile skull with more protection than not wearing one.<<
Actually that's true - pretending it only applies to cycling is false though.

>>"Too many Headway service users sustained their brain injuries as a result of cycling accidents."<<
It's nearly one per cent, isn't it?

>>"Unfortunately, the evidence proves it does happen and cyclists need to accept they are at risk and better protect themselves before it's too late."<<
And not just cyclists . . . .

>>According to the Transport Research Laboratory helmets were effective in most accidents but that depended on the size of the injured party and type of incident.<<
"Most accidents" as in the large number of minor injury accidents, rather than the serious injuries that Headway choose to highlight.

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Re: Northern Ireland proposes cycle helmet law

Postby [XAP]Bob » 19 Aug 2010, 4:02pm

No response to my email to the editorial staff...
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Re: Northern Ireland proposes cycle helmet law

Postby GillianS » 20 Aug 2010, 7:48pm

Oh blast I thought that in the UK it had been generally agreed that cyclists could make up their own minds on helmet wearing. Trust it to be a Northern Ireland politician that wants to make cycling without a helmet illegal. Next it will be making the use of cycle lanes compulsory. Have they nothing more pressing to do in the assembly? Im pretty fed up with NI politicians dictating to people on issues that should be a personal decision.

Is anyone else here from Northern Ireland and is against this proposed law? What can we do to oppose it?
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Re: Northern Ireland proposes cycle helmet law

Postby NUKe » 20 Aug 2010, 8:01pm

Gillian there are no local groups listed in the CTC database suggest you try head office from the CTC main page who might be able to mailshot or put you in contact with a local group.
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Re: Northern Ireland proposes cycle helmet law

Postby Steady rider » 21 Aug 2010, 9:31am

May be worth sending info to the press and MLA in Stormont, plus BBC etc or any media outlet

Data in the report from 1996 listed below.

Victoria Australia, survey data following their helmet law;
297 extra wearing helmets and 1110 fewer cyclists

New South Wales, survey data following their helmet law;
569 extra wearing helmets and 2658 fewer cyclists

Main effect was to discourage cycling.

See Robinson DL; Head injuries and bicycle helmet laws; Accid Anal Prev, 28, 4: p 463-475, 1996

http://www.cycle-helmets.com/robinson-head-injuries.pdf

More than 19000 fined for not wearing a helmet in Victoria in the first 12 months.

Headway is providing misleading information to the public.

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Re: Northern Ireland proposes cycle helmet law

Postby GillianS » 21 Aug 2010, 3:46pm

thanks for the link, Steady rider. I will certainly make use of that.

The fact that car occupants wearing helmets would prevent 17 times as many deaths from head injury than a helmet law for cyclists was interesting - but then that would be the next law they bring in!

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Re: Northern Ireland proposes cycle helmet law

Postby GrahamNR17 » 21 Aug 2010, 4:02pm

I think everyone in Northern Ireland are safe on this one, whether it becomes law or not. It's unlikely a copper is going to leave his armoured Land Rover to enforce a cycle helmet violation. :wink:

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Re: Northern Ireland proposes cycle helmet law

Postby Steady rider » 21 Aug 2010, 7:26pm

In Ausssie before their law, they were not sure if it would be enforced as most cycling laws were not, 60%+ with no lights at night in NSW for example. but in practice the police can see who is wearing one, ticket book out and $100+ fine issued, many thanks.

http://zakka.dk/cykelhjelm/CTC_Helmet_Law_Brochure.pdf provide a guide

Cycle Safety Study - helmets review,
http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=5339

It will cost lives by having helmet laws.

See, Health and safety assessment of state bicycle helmets laws in the USA,
gives a few web links
http://www.ctcyorkshirehumber.org.uk/US ... t_laws.pdf

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Re: Northern Ireland proposes cycle helmet law

Postby GillianS » 22 Aug 2010, 3:49pm

GrahamNR17 wrote:I think everyone in Northern Ireland are safe on this one, whether it becomes law or not. It's unlikely a copper is going to leave his armoured Land Rover to enforce a cycle helmet violation. :wink:


Well... :roll: I see very few police armoured Land Rovers here! I should think they use the same modes of transport as they do where you live. They even walk and ride bikes.

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Re: Northern Ireland proposes cycle helmet law

Postby andun84 » 22 Aug 2010, 7:31pm

GillianS wrote:
GrahamNR17 wrote:I think everyone in Northern Ireland are safe on this one, whether it becomes law or not. It's unlikely a copper is going to leave his armoured Land Rover to enforce a cycle helmet violation. :wink:


Well... :roll: I see very few police armoured Land Rovers here! I should think they use the same modes of transport as they do where you live. They even walk and ride bikes.


Wishful thinking. Belfast City Centre maybe but certainly not in residential areas.

Anyway that is neither here nor there as the do gooders will not be able to help themselves if this becomes law. You already have those that want to dictate to parents what they should allow or not allow their children to do so what makes anyone think it will be any different if a law was introduced save that they will have the force of the law behind them. The police will be forced to police it. Teachers will be forced to enforce the law. Anywhere children go will be forced to enforce the law.

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Re: Northern Ireland proposes cycle helmet law

Postby Steady rider » 22 Aug 2010, 8:36pm

2008 data for UK, includes NI

total deaths 509,090

Circulatory disease deaths 168,268
(stroke 53,000 approx)

road deaths 2,538

cyclists 115
0-15 age group 12

pedestrians 572
0-15 age group 57

It would not make any sense to add to the health problems by discouraging cycling and fining thousands of people, eg Victoria fined 19000+ in first 12 months, pro rata, 60 million/4.5 millon apporx = 259,000 fines could occur for the UK. NI population 1.8 million, pro rata fines could be 7000+ per year approximately.

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Re: Northern Ireland proposes cycle helmet law

Postby Steady rider » 14 Sep 2010, 9:03am

http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 22956.html

Sad case of a women wearing a helmet.

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Re: Northern Ireland proposes cycle helmet law

Postby kwackers » 14 Sep 2010, 9:07am

Steady rider wrote:http://www.independent.ie/national-news/foul-play-ruled-out-as-woman-dies-in-freak-fall-from-bicycle-2322956.html

Sad case of a women wearing a helmet.

That's really bad luck. Exactly the sort of accident that helmets should be useful for too!

You could be forgiven for thinking if they can't protect you from a simple fall what use are they likely to be in a 'proper' accident.

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Re: Northern Ireland proposes cycle helmet law

Postby Jonty » 25 Sep 2010, 10:56pm

kwackers wrote:
Steady rider wrote:http://www.independent.ie/national-news/foul-play-ruled-out-as-woman-dies-in-freak-fall-from-bicycle-2322956.html

Sad case of a women wearing a helmet.

That's really bad luck. Exactly the sort of accident that helmets should be useful for too!

You could be forgiven for thinking if they can't protect you from a simple fall what use are they likely to be in a 'proper' accident.


No you couldn't. She could have been dead before she hit the ground due to a heart attack.
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