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KTM690 wrote:Wearing a helmet doesn't prevent you from operating a bicycle!
KTM690 wrote:I see some have "sucked up" arguments that it will reduce the amount of people choosing to use a bicycle.
KTM690 wrote:Deciding not to cycle to work and use the car/motorbike/bus isn't going to result in a stroke/infarct/chronic cake retention.
KTM690 wrote:Of all cycle journeys how many are for getting to work?
KTM690 wrote:I cycle to have fun, trailer my daughter about, build up fitness for enduro motorbiking and as a cheap alternative to a taxi when going for a night out.
KTM690 wrote:These reasons fit in with a large proportion of people that cycle. Choosing not to commute to work on a pushbike doesn't mean your not a "cyclist"
KTM690 wrote:Like my view or not they are the ones of a layman cyclist as opposed to the ones of a self appointed hardcore puritan cyclist so anointed because they commute to work on a pushbike.
KTM690 wrote:I suspect the general public, like myself, will welcome helmet cycle law.
KTM690 wrote:Some will welcome the aspect of accountability that it imparts on cyclists.
KTM690 wrote:As for enforcement - that'll be a joke. Can't even get cyclists to use lights let alone helmets!
KTM690 wrote:I do agree that current cycle helmet design needs improvement - they're a long way off motorcycle helmets.
irc wrote:KTM690 wrote:I cycle to have fun, trailer my daughter about, build up fitness for enduro motorbiking and as a cheap alternative to a taxi when going for a night out..
Hopefully your nights out are alcohol free or you may need your helmet. I'd suggest the increased risk from cycling after a few pints far outweighs any benefit from a helmet.
Malaconotus wrote:KTM690 wrote:Interesting.
INot sure if you're arguing naively from a position of ignorance or trolling for fun.
Please bring yourself up to speed on the debate, (there are dozens of previous threads on here) and come back when you have yourself considered at least a representative sample of the evidence. This is the best place to start... http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1139.html
This thread is for the discussion of how to tackle the threat of compulsion in Northern Ireland. No-one who believes in evidence-based policy-making, and who has properly studied the matter can contend that, on balance, compulsion is a good idea or has positive health outcomes for the population as a whole. Like me, they might still choose to wear a helmet depending on how and where they are riding, but there is simply no rational case for forcing people to wear them.
Graham
PS - Like many people I took the 'commonsense' view on helmets until I did some proper reading. Please do the same.
KTM690 wrote:irc wrote:KTM690 wrote:I cycle to have fun, trailer my daughter about, build up fitness for enduro motorbiking and as a cheap alternative to a taxi when going for a night out..
Hopefully your nights out are alcohol free or you may need your helmet. I'd suggest the increased risk from cycling after a few pints far outweighs any benefit from a helmet.
As I've previousy said the great thing about cycling is the freedom it allows - hardly any rules and of the few there are you very unlikely to be held accountable for them.
pottering back from the pub on a bike isn't something I consider risky - not something I see as needing a cycle hat either.
Elsewhere on this forum there's threads about travelling 40mph downhill - something I do see as needing helmet use.
All about general public perception.
Problem is how to ensure cyclists wear helmets at 40mph - difficult to do without imposing helmets on the low risk journey back from the pub or whatever.
KTM690 wrote:Malaconotus wrote:KTM690 wrote:Interesting.
INot sure if you're arguing naively from a position of ignorance or trolling for fun.
Please bring yourself up to speed on the debate, (there are dozens of previous threads on here) and come back when you have yourself considered at least a representative sample of the evidence. This is the best place to start... http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1139.html
This thread is for the discussion of how to tackle the threat of compulsion in Northern Ireland. No-one who believes in evidence-based policy-making, and who has properly studied the matter can contend that, on balance, compulsion is a good idea or has positive health outcomes for the population as a whole. Like me, they might still choose to wear a helmet depending on how and where they are riding, but there is simply no rational case for forcing people to wear them.
Graham
PS - Like many people I took the 'commonsense' view on helmets until I did some proper reading. Please do the same.
My observations are from what I've witnessed at work (in A+E) and from the perspective of a motorcyclist.
http://motorcycleminds.org/virtuallibra ... TRL581.pdf
A TRL study12 found that approximately 75% of motorcycle accidents occur at impact speeds of up to 48km/h (30 mph) and 96% at up to 64 km/h (40 mph). The study also found that almost all (93%) of the serious and fatal head injuries occur at speeds of up to 64km/h (40 mph).
It doesn't take much to relate the 93% of all serious and fatal head injuries in motorcyclists to cyclists. After all up to 40mph is well within cycling territory.
A lot depends on where you source your research from - "science" is losing some credibility of late.
This isn't a scientific process it's a political one and those driving it through will pick the "science" that suits them.
That's evident in the issue of motorcycling in bus lanes!
I totally support the argument that it's best to prevent the accidents in the first place. That's not a motorist only responsibility though.
In response to the suggestion that I cause congestion by not cycling. I don't. Travelling by motorbike to work causes less congestion as I move faster than a bicycle, take up less road space and slow up other users less.
Regarding motorists as "the enemy" won't help your cause. Many, if not most, motorists cycle as well. This is reflected in the consideration given to cyclists for the majority of the time.
Motorists get irked when radical policies that are primarily anti car as opposed to pro bicycle are imposed.
No one likes to see a cycle lane in a perfectly good parking space!
KTM690 wrote:In response to the suggestion that I cause congestion by not cycling. I don't. Travelling by motorbike to work causes less congestion as I move faster than a bicycle, take up less road space and slow up other users less.
kwackers wrote:KTM690 wrote:In response to the suggestion that I cause congestion by not cycling. I don't. Travelling by motorbike to work causes less congestion as I move faster than a bicycle, take up less road space and slow up other users less.
Space taken on road is a function of size and velocity - essentially swept volume. Motorcycles are bigger and faster, the amount of space they require is a lot more on top of that most cars run along side bicycles so for the most part they occupy no appreciable space. On the upside motorcycles occupy that space for less time but even on my relatively uncongested route the time taken to cycle is only twice that of the motorcycle (at worst).
When bicycles do actually cause holdups it's invariably for no more than a few seconds and frequently all that happens is the vehicle overtakes and catches up with the vehicle it was originally behind anyway.
Of course, if you're an impatient git in a car then that's all immaterial.
Nutsey wrote:On the bright side, even IF we end up with a helmet law, it won't be enforced like the rest of the road laws.
Nutsey wrote:On the bright side, even IF we end up with a helmet law, it won't be enforced like the rest of the road laws.
KTM690 wrote:irc wrote:KTM690 wrote:I cycle to have fun, trailer my daughter about, build up fitness for enduro motorbiking and as a cheap alternative to a taxi when going for a night out..
Hopefully your nights out are alcohol free or you may need your helmet. I'd suggest the increased risk from cycling after a few pints far outweighs any benefit from a helmet.
As I've previousy said the great thing about cycling is the freedom it allows - hardly any rules and of the few there are you very unlikely to be held accountable for them.
pottering back from the pub on a bike isn't something I consider risky - not something I see as needing a cycle hat either.
KTM690 wrote:Elsewhere on this forum there's threads about travelling 40mph downhill - something I do see as needing helmet use.