Australia: judge agrees helmet laws are unnecessary

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Australia: judge agrees helmet laws are unnecessary

Postby anothereye » 7 Feb 2011, 9:05pm


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Re: Australia: judge agrees helmet laws are unnecessary

Postby Guy951 » 8 Feb 2011, 8:23am

Excellent!

Now send a copy of that article to Headway to see what they make of it. (Or will they just ignore it because it doesn't fit in with their blinkered view of the efficacy of the plastic tortoise :roll: )
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Re: Australia: judge agrees helmet laws are unnecessary

Postby georgew » 8 Feb 2011, 10:23am

Oh Dear.......... I'm not sure about this at all. I already spend many sleepless nights worrying about the hordes of Belgian families I see pedalling around helmet-less in that country as if they hadn't a care in the world. It just can't be right. :?

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Re: Australia: judge agrees helmet laws are unnecessary

Postby meic » 8 Feb 2011, 11:25am

Did anybody actually understand what the appeal Judge's decision was?

He said that the woman is guilty but the conviction is quashed, I am lost.

Shouldnt a Judge obey and enforce the law no matter how dumb it is?
I thought it was up to politicians to decide what the law should be NOT judges.

Although I respect the Judge for saying what he thinks. :D
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Re: Australia: judge agrees helmet laws are unnecessary

Postby Edwards » 8 Feb 2011, 11:37am

I think the judge might have had to decide with law took precedent over the other.
An example here is the voting rights of prisoners and the Court of Human Rights that was signed up to.
So this could well set a precedent here for the politicians to avoid Human Rights problems as well.
It all depends which court is higher the local one or the Human Rights one. He must have decided the correct way.
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Re: Australia: judge agrees helmet laws are unnecessary

Postby yakdiver » 8 Feb 2011, 12:52pm

I wonder why they sell eggs in boxes :roll:
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Re: Australia: judge agrees helmet laws are unnecessary

Postby kwackers » 8 Feb 2011, 12:57pm

yakdiver wrote:I wonder why they sell eggs in boxes :roll:

Same reason they package your brain in a skull - millions of years of evolution to create the perfect balance between protection, mass and radius.
Why muck with it?

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Re: Australia: judge agrees helmet laws are unnecessary

Postby hubgearfreak » 8 Feb 2011, 1:55pm

yakdiver wrote:I wonder why they sell eggs in boxes :roll:


because they've not been adapted by evolution to tavel from nest to supermarket, into a carrier bag and then to the kitchen? :roll:
because they haven't any hands to put out in the event of a fall, or the sense to do it if they had :roll:
because they don't find them uncomfortable & inconvienient :roll:
because they don't sweat or have any hair :roll:

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Re: Australia: judge agrees helmet laws are unnecessary

Postby nickp » 8 Feb 2011, 2:02pm

yakdiver wrote:I wonder why they sell eggs in boxes :roll:


So far its not illegal to sell eggs without a box. A box might well be sensible but its not mandatory.

Different for baby eggs, mind you ...

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Re: Australia: judge agrees helmet laws are unnecessary

Postby Ellieb » 8 Feb 2011, 3:05pm

Nice to see beaking news... especially from august last year

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Re: Australia: judge agrees helmet laws are unnecessary

Postby StopHeadway » 8 Feb 2011, 3:06pm

In answer to the question further up, the judge found the offence proven - that is, it was not overturned because it was unproven (lack of evidence, say, or a dodgy witness).

Instead he did something much more powerful, which is quash the conviction on the grounds that disobeying the law was a reasonable thing to do. Effectively this removes the helmet law in this jurisdiction (because it sets the precedent for everyone else who comes to court).

In answer to the weird question below it - because people still buy eggs when they are in boxes. That's all there is to be said on that front really.

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Re: Australia: judge agrees helmet laws are unnecessary

Postby Vorpal » 26 Feb 2011, 8:30am

yakdiver wrote:I wonder why they sell eggs in boxes :roll:


hmmm. Carrying my head around in a box could be tricky. :wink:
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Re: Australia: judge agrees helmet laws are unnecessary

Postby meic » 26 Feb 2011, 9:45am

Yes, but if it saves just one child's life it will have been worth it. :wink:
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Re: Australia: judge agrees helmet laws are unnecessary

Postby Cunobelin » 26 Feb 2011, 9:48am

meic wrote:Yes, but if it saves just one child's life it will have been worth it. :wink:



I couldn't agree more!

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Re: Australia: judge agrees helmet laws are unnecessary

Postby Jon Lucas » 28 Sep 2012, 9:02am

I've just dug out this thread from 2011, which I didn't see at the time (and see there was a similar one in 2010), because I wanted to find out if anyone on this forum knows how strictly the helmet laws are enforced there now. I'm asking because two of my brothers live in Australia and one of these days I will, no doubt, make the journey there to visit them. If I did, I would obviously wish to use the opportunity to cycle in the country, and would certainly not wear a helmet, whatever the law says.