Jeremey Vine again

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Jeremey Vine again

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Sounds like there is a helmet debate about to be had...

Second item...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01132x4 wrote:CYCLE HELMETS

Should cycle helmets be made compulsory?
Do they make a difference anyway, and if they were made compulsory would this stop people from cycling?
Jeremy talks to Labour MP Emily Thornberry and Julie Townsend; Campaigns Director of the Road safety charity BRAKE.
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Starting now (12:32).
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Ended up more balanced than expected -
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You think it was balanced? The helmet piece seemed to be him putting forward his own point of view, agreeing with guests and callers who agreed with him and more or less disagreeing with the others. He's done his research, and I agree with his conclusions, but it was boring radio.

Jeremy Vine hasn't tempted me away from Radio 4. Although I confess I enjoyed the trouncing given to the lady from Brake.
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Talking of which, the current Radio 4 drama (2:15 to 3pm) is about cycling.
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A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
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snibgo wrote:You think it was balanced? The helmet piece seemed to be him putting forward his own point of view, agreeing with guests and callers who agreed with him and more or less disagreeing with the others. He's done his research, and I agree with his conclusions, but it was boring radio.

Jeremy Vine hasn't tempted me away from Radio 4. Although I confess I enjoyed the trouncing given to the lady from Brake.


It was more balanced than most items I hear on the issue.

Even the lady from BRAKE was saying that other measures are important...
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[XAP]Bob wrote:
snibgo wrote:You think it was balanced? The helmet piece seemed to be him putting forward his own point of view, agreeing with guests and callers who agreed with him and more or less disagreeing with the others. He's done his research, and I agree with his conclusions, but it was boring radio.

Jeremy Vine hasn't tempted me away from Radio 4. Although I confess I enjoyed the trouncing given to the lady from Brake.


It was more balanced than most items I hear on the issue.

Even the lady from BRAKE was saying that other measures are important...


Brake gave a lot of abuse, for want of a better word, towards Baker when he said he wont wear one and gave sound reasons. They've almost dissuaded me from supporting them in other areas as a result. :( If those other measures are about prevention then I will be glad.
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Certainly not very polemical.

Cue the usual anecdote of someone whose helmet saved his life because it completely broke up...

But the way the woman from Brake got shot down was pure class!! :D :D :D
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TwoPlusTen wrote:Certainly not very polemical.

Cue the usual anecdote of someone whose helmet saved his life because it completely broke up...

But the way the woman from Brake got shot down was pure class!! :D :D :D


Shooting down people like that always feels a hollow victory in my view. This is an area where the accident data, the mechanisms of collision AND the causality are important. Brake, along with Headway, have seemingly focussed a little too much on accident data and outdated research. :?
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downfader wrote:
TwoPlusTen wrote:Certainly not very polemical.

Cue the usual anecdote of someone whose helmet saved his life because it completely broke up...

But the way the woman from Brake got shot down was pure class!! :D :D :D


Shooting down people like that always feels a hollow victory in my view. This is an area where the accident data, the mechanisms of collision AND the causality are important. Brake, along with Headway, have seemingly focussed a little too much on accident data and outdated research. :?

So what is the victory? You don't normally win a battle with the first shot.
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downfader wrote:Brake gave a lot of abuse, for want of a better word, towards Baker when he said he wont wear one and gave sound reasons. They've almost dissuaded me from supporting them in other areas as a result. :(
Is there anything Brake do that Roadpeace don't do equally well?
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SilverBadge wrote:
downfader wrote:Brake gave a lot of abuse, for want of a better word, towards Baker when he said he wont wear one and gave sound reasons. They've almost dissuaded me from supporting them in other areas as a result. :(
Is there anything Brake do that Roadpeace don't do equally well?


Two other cyclists on another forum said that to me and suggested Roadpeace instead. :)
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