reohn2 wrote:The 'we' I was referring to was cyclists as a collective.
Then by your rule, I must be silent because someone else jumped a light. I must be silent until all people stop jumping lights
And this will never happen. It cannot
happen, because all humans are not impeccable adherents to the law. You're doing exactly what Wiggins is doing: binding the ability to point out issues or suggest solutions to a condition that is absolutely impossible to meet
No perhaps I haven't made myself clear,I'll complain about idiots whatever mode they choose and that includes pedestrians,idiots are idiots,though some have the greater potential for harm and as such should carry the greater responsibility,but that doesn't absolve others with less potential,of their responsibility.
But by not not complaining about idiots because they use the same mode as I use and am enthusiastic about, it makes me part of their idiocy,and I won't defend their idiocy.
reohn2 wrote:I know it's not fair but it's the sad state we're in
Then why would you take the same view? Why agree with him? You've said it's unfair, so why vindicate people who take this attitude of dooming a minority group to never being able to escape the problems they face?
I don't see it as 'dooming a minority' I see it as adhering to the law,I don't have a problem with that,I do have a problem with being blamed for other idiots behaviour though,and stand up for cycling and cyclists rights when I have the opportunity.
FWIW I believe an effective police force would go a long way to solving the sorry state of behaviour of road users,but until then we're stuck.
I will keep fighting against prejudice and standing up for what I believe to be right,that doesn't condone law breakers because they ride bikes,as much as it doesn't those drive cars,they're all people,and in amongst them are an element of idiots.
Sure, some people will hate anyone on a bike and will cite idiots for it. They'll not care about people in cars and won't complain about idiots in cars. Not in the context of oppressing people in cars, anyway, because they're in cars too. They'll individualise those idiots in order to differentiate themselves; or, by preference, they'll seek the broadest group they can find which still differentiates them: old duffers, women drivers, boy racers, white van men, Audi drivers… anything that's an easy label that doesn't include themselves.
I'm well a ware of the idiots and their self justification for being idiots,more than you'll ever know.
I lost a beautiful granddaughter( 19 years old and one of identical twins) to one such idiotic lunatic who felt himself above the law,and my only comfort is that when he killed her he killed himself in the process and so at least saved anyone else the pain my family constantly carry.And who if the police had done their job would never had been in a position to do what he did.
But to accept or to even slightly tolerate the principle that you can't complain until everyone else adheres to the law is solid gold lunacy.
Stop accepting this idiotic view of other people who can see only the minority being fallible, and who can't see the equal fallibility of the majority.
Agreeing with Wiggins just means you accept the whole principle, and if you want to be silent because all humans are not perfect, then fine, but any minority group that does too much of that is in for a very rough time indeed.
I'm sorry if to you I appear to have contradicted myself,IMO I haven't,I simply see things as they are and struggle with a way to right them.