Sleeping mats and punctures

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Re: Sleeping mats and punctures

Postby foxyrider » 1 May 2018, 4:42pm

willem jongman wrote:Modern ultralight insulated mattresses like those from Thermarest and Exped are quite fragile. I would never use one outside, let alone with a chairkit.


Chair kits are for wimps - I much prefer a picnic bench! :lol:
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Re: Sleeping mats and punctures

Postby Gattonero » 4 May 2018, 9:49am

foxyrider wrote:
willem jongman wrote:Modern ultralight insulated mattresses like those from Thermarest and Exped are quite fragile. I would never use one outside, let alone with a chairkit.


Chair kits are for wimps - I much prefer a picnic bench! :lol:


wonder what size of pannier it needs to carry that! :lol:
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Re: Sleeping mats and punctures

Postby profpointy » 4 May 2018, 11:40am

I didn't buy one for years since
(a) I was worried about punctures - a well-off "early-adopter" had bought one and had maybe a dozen punctures after an outing leading to much derision from the rest of us and
(b) the thermarest ones were just stupidly expensive.

Then I gritted my teeth, paid the money, and bought one. Wow ! They are vastly more comfortable than a basic karrymat type thing, and to be fair, I've only had a couple of punctures over the years, and I've had it a long time now. Punctures are quite easy to fix - basically evo stick and a patch of the same material as the mat - one fix was a 1-1/2" gash - and I've not idea how I managed to do that - not camping clearly ! The other big advantage is it rolls up much smaller than a Karrymat, so it goes in the rucksack or motorbike panniers or whatever.

I have used a 3/4 lenght one, and not keep. Full length is much more comfortable, as somehow your heels on the hard ground feels strange.

Anyhow, yes they do get punctures, but worth it anyway. I haven't carried the repair kit for them on trips, but maybe it ain't a bad idea to have the patches at least, then buy glue if you need it. Even if punctured, they are still better than nowt, and not much worse than a karrymat.

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Re: Sleeping mats and punctures

Postby pjclinch » 4 May 2018, 12:33pm

willem jongman wrote:Modern ultralight insulated mattresses like those from Thermarest and Exped are quite fragile. I would never use one outside, let alone with a chairkit.


A bit like modern flysheets, they certainly feel flimsy, but that's not the same as being flimsy.

I use my NeoAir outside with a chair kit. Famous last words and all that, but it's not been a problem thus far.

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Re: Sleeping mats and punctures

Postby crazydave789 » 9 May 2018, 5:32pm

over the years we've had more trouble with leaky valves than punctures. seamgrip or shoegoo typrepair kits work the best. vinyl weld should work and even silicone sealant at a push.

going by the holes in my bivvy bags from brambles and thorns I think I've been rather lucky.

for ground protection I keep my 3/4 length 25 year old thermarest in its chair kit but also carry some heavy ripstop stuff originally meant to replace roofing felt that's indestructable

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Re: Sleeping mats and punctures

Postby Slowroad » 9 Aug 2018, 4:43pm

I've got a '98 Thermorest which is still going strong, but bulky. So I got a 3/4 length Blacks version a few years ago - first one 'let me down' first trip out so got a replacement which seems to be still OK but not as comfy and still doesn't fit in my panniers. So I got an Alpkit Numo, which was comfy (albeit with a cold patch where my hips go through to the ground - I sleep on my side). But after a year it started to 'let me down' too. Alpkit were helpful and I patched it, but still it leaks.
I wonder what to try next?
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Re: Sleeping mats and punctures

Postby Sweep » 9 Aug 2018, 10:54pm

Slowroad wrote:(And don't get me going on pillows! I think I have the world collection of camping pillows!)


Might be worth checking this out.

https://www.decathlon.co.uk/helium-pill ... 82813.html
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Re: Sleeping mats and punctures

Postby Slowroad » 10 Aug 2018, 6:35pm

Slowroad wrote:
(And don't get me going on pillows! I think I have the world collection of camping pillows!)



Might be worth checking this out.

https://www.decathlon.co.uk/helium-pill ... 82813.html
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Ahah, yes! Been meaning to try one of those and thay have always been out of stock! Might just order one... :-)
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Re: Sleeping mats and punctures

Postby crazydave789 » 10 Aug 2018, 7:30pm

Slowroad wrote:(And don't get me going on pillows! I think I have the world collection of camping pillows!)


have you not taken the tempur challenge for a free travel pillow then?

they run it a couple of times a year it seems so keep your eyes open.

https://uk.tempur.com/tempur-challenge.html

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Re: Sleeping mats and punctures

Postby climo » 11 Aug 2018, 2:37pm

After years & years enduring rolled up clothing as pillows I finally bit the bullet and bought
https://www.ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk ... llow-p9932
Stuff the rear pocket with a fleece & very very comfortable. Add a down exped mat and I often sleep better than at home.

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Re: Sleeping mats and punctures

Postby MrsHJ » 11 Aug 2018, 10:43pm

jacksonz wrote:
Jeff31 wrote:Hi Trevor
I still take my old Karrimat even with my inflatable mat. The inflatable mat and goes on top of the Karrimat, giving it some extra protection, and if It goes down during the night I will still have bit of padding and insulation from the Karrimat.


Yes, that's what I do as well. Gives a lot of comfort and versatility.
I had a Thermarest Neoair and it lasted about 120 nights before it delaminated.....I cut it open and had a look. A lot of durability has been sacrificed for lightness. It seemed more like a "toy". I recommend one of the Thermarest standard (self-inflating) products.

I tried all kinds of materials to patch mats, but a recommended product was always the best.......


For me my camping days would have been over if I'd continued to use my old thermarest, the neo air has added a few years into my ability to camp (although maybe no longer working in an office that seemed in the business of giving me hip ache might help too). Having said that no one wants that middle of the night sinking feeling- I'd be happy with this level of comfort and a bit more robust even if that means a bit heavier. I don't have much capacity for bigger volume (e.g. Taking a mat to use under my sleeping mat)

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Re: Sleeping mats and punctures

Postby philsknees » 12 Aug 2018, 10:26am

In my previous lightweight backpacking days I had several unfortunate experiences with Exped mats become unusable through delamination & eventually abandoned them (despite the excellent guarantee scheme then in place), favouring the original Thermarest NeoAir lightweight products which have never punctured(with careful use) or delaminated over several years use.
Now cycle touring (creakier and considerably heavier), I've found durability & comfort take precedence over weight (within limits) & found the ideal compromise in the Thermarest NeoAir Voyager which has the comfort of the original NeoAir but with a heavier duty 75D cover, similar to that used on their original self-inflating mats. Add in the extra comfort of the regular/wide (61cm) version & I've found the perfect mat for sustained use.
Downside? Well it weighs about 750 gm but still packs relatively compactly. They seem to be end-of line now but they are still available & well worth it if you can source one.

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Re: Sleeping mats and punctures

Postby willem jongman » 13 Aug 2018, 10:04am

I have never had a puncture with any matress, first Thermarest self inflatables, then Exped downmats and now also an Exped Synmat UL. However, I just had a delamination of my Exped Synmat UL on a tour in Germany. This was not fun, since unlike punctures, there is nothing you can do with a delaminating mattress other than to inflate it with far less air than you would do normally, use the delaminated part for your feet, and just endure the discomfort until you are back home or have been able to buy something new.
I must say I am pretty annoyed, especially since this seems to happen quite frequently with these Exped mattresses. Many of my Dutch cycle touring friends have had similar experiences. Therefore, I am now considering a Neoair, since there seem to be far fewer problems with those. I wonder if that also applies to their XLite model.