CTC CHANGE OF NAME

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Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

Postby Psamathe » 25 Feb 2016, 4:43pm

mjr wrote:...
The Chair said PT was chosen to "bring a new perspective to the next stage in CTC’s development and national recognition" rather than stop developing CTC and start over with a new name... although PT's track record clearly indicates he's a rebooter more than a developer, so who knows if the announcement accurately reflects the selectors' reasons? At least he's not done a merger in his last two postings ;)
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Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

Postby Vorpal » 25 Feb 2016, 4:44pm

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Vorpal wrote:That almsot reads like it's a problem that he isn't a cyclist, but it's a rpoblem that he *is* a cyclist. I'm not sure I follow the argument.

The argument is that his passions seem to change depending on what job he's hired for, making the most of any small link in his background, and that BC club riders are cyclists but few are everyday/ordinary cyclists or see the point of transport cycling - compare the car park full of cars with bike racks on at the many BC club events to the CTC riding from where they live to a mid-morning meet-up point before riding to lunch together - and some BC riders even express horror and confusion at the idea of cycle-touring.

And your passions have never changed? How about interests? I was passionate about women's football when I played women's league football and sat on the management committee for a football club. I was passionate about cycling when I taught Bikeability, did led rides in may areas, volunteered for all-ability cycling days, and campaigned for cyclist's rights. I have also been a 'club cyclist' for much of my adult life. FWIW, the word 'passionate is overused in this kind of context, but I guess it sounds good to PR people, so it keeps getting used.
Club cyclist also means, and has long meant, CTC members who show up for Sunday rides, go to rallies, etc. It's certainly not limited to BC. And as it happens, many (maybe most) of the BC members I know are also, or even mainly transport cyclists. why did they join? Insurance (and it was cheaper than CTC).

I don't think it does any cycling organisation any good to have rivalries, or look down on one another for any reason. It certainly doesn't help cycling.
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Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

Postby Psamathe » 25 Feb 2016, 4:48pm

Vorpal wrote:...
I donæt think it does any cycling organisation any good to have rivalries, or look down on one another for any reason. It certainly doesn't help cycling.

Easy way to avoid that is to avoid overlap, confusing names, etc.

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Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

Postby gaz » 25 Feb 2016, 5:30pm

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gaz wrote:...
Perhaps Council recruited a Charity Sector "change management specialist" to help us manage those changes?

I don't know who the "change management specialist" is ...

I think you do :wink: , but just in case: http://www.ctc.org.uk/news/ctc-announces-paul-tuohy-ceo
Paul has worked in the charity sector since 1984 and has led charities as a CEO since 2004, largely as a change management specialist focusing on building brands, fundraising and income generation.

Seems like useful qualities to have when your organisation has recently changed from a Members Club to a Membership Charity and needs to complete the process of a re-branding exercise approved by the Trustees. I don't know who the other candidates were, nor how their skills compared.
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Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

Postby Vorpal » 25 Feb 2016, 6:36pm

And this is one of those things about which someone will always disagree.

If we had someone who was not an experienced charity CEO, or 'change management specialist' someone would suggest that was a problem with that, that he lacked experience.

Whether he is the right person, I think only time will tell.
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Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

Postby TonyR » 25 Feb 2016, 11:20pm

mjr wrote:The argument is that his passions seem to change depending on what job he's hired for,


That writes off as cynical careerists all of those of us who have changed jobs in their lifetime. I've done a variety of jobs over the years and enjoyed them all which apparently isn't possbile.

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Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

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mjr wrote:The argument is that his passions seem to change depending on what job he's hired for,

I know we're all cyclists, but even we're allowed more than one passion.

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Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

Postby mjr » 26 Feb 2016, 11:01am

Vorpal wrote:And as it happens, many (maybe most) of the BC members I know are also, or even mainly transport cyclists. why did they join? Insurance (and it was cheaper than CTC).

BC members are not generally keen club cyclists and BC shares a lot of CTC's problems in not organising/developing its members well. Please don't misinterpret my comments as being about BC members in general.

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I donæt think it does any cycling organisation any good to have rivalries, or look down on one another for any reason. It certainly doesn't help cycling.

Easy way to avoid that is to avoid overlap, confusing names, etc.

Yes, that is roughly my view. I'm not looking down or wishing to incite rivalries, but WACU/CUK seems sure to create rivalries, departing from a weak position onto a collision course with other UK Cycling Alliance members that I fear could end with its destruction and that of some others, which would be a great shame for cycling.

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mjr wrote:The argument is that his passions seem to change depending on what job he's hired for,

That writes off as cynical careerists all of those of us who have changed jobs in their lifetime. I've done a variety of jobs over the years and enjoyed them all which apparently isn't possbile.

That's going a bit far. I doubt you published statements portraying each job as fulfilling some overriding top priority for you. I certainly didn't as I moved from low-paid factory and retail jobs to education to IT.
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Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

Postby Vorpal » 27 Feb 2016, 9:11am

mjr wrote:
Vorpal wrote:And as it happens, many (maybe most) of the BC members I know are also, or even mainly transport cyclists. why did they join? Insurance (and it was cheaper than CTC).

BC members are not generally keen club cyclists and BC shares a lot of CTC's problems in not organising/developing its members well. Please don't misinterpret my comments as being about BC members in general.

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Vorpal wrote:...
I donæt think it does any cycling organisation any good to have rivalries, or look down on one another for any reason. It certainly doesn't help cycling.

Easy way to avoid that is to avoid overlap, confusing names, etc.

Yes, that is roughly my view. I'm not looking down or wishing to incite rivalries, but WACU/CUK seems sure to create rivalries, departing from a weak position onto a collision course with other UK Cycling Alliance members that I fear could end with its destruction and that of some others, which would be a great shame for cycling.

I'm not sure what leads you to the conclusion that the rebranding is 'sure to create rivalries' or that this will end in destruction for any cycling organisations, or some sort of takeover of one by another. But my point was merely that cycling organisaitons have more to agree on than disagree on. We need an organisation like BC to oversee cycle sport. We need an organisation like CTC to support campaigning. If those organisations don't satisfy the needs of all cyclists, well, it doesn't hurt anything to have others, such as Sustrans, or CycleNation.

Cyclists generalising about BC members may create rivalries. The CTC rebranding, does not, as far as I can see.
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Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

Postby Whippet » 27 Feb 2016, 8:06pm

Isn't BC moving into campaigning? I've certainly had questionnaires from them about this and Chris Boardman apparently gets more media attention for them than CTC spokespersons. I'd say there definitely is an overlap, especially with the new branding.

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Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

Postby geocycle » 27 Feb 2016, 8:18pm

Whippet wrote:Isn't BC moving into campaigning? I've certainly had questionnaires from them about this and Chris Boardman apparently gets more media attention for them than CTC spokespersons. I'd say there definitely is an overlap, especially with the new branding.


Agreed. Do we really need another lobbying group? What is the unique constituency?

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Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

Postby gaz » 27 Feb 2016, 8:29pm

CTC is a lobbying group, in fact it is the earliest national cycling lobbying group. The name change won't alter that.

The change of name is surely driven by a desire for an all-inclusive consticuency rather than an unique one.
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Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

Postby Regulator » 28 Feb 2016, 8:29am

gaz wrote:CTC is a lobbying group, in fact it is the earliest national cycling lobbying group. The name change won't alter that.

The change of name is surely driven by a desire for an all-inclusive consticuency rather than an unique one.



CTC is not as much of a lobbying group as it used to be. After all, you don't bite the hand of your paymasters...

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Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

Postby TonyR » 28 Feb 2016, 9:39am

mjr wrote:
TonyR wrote:
mjr wrote:The argument is that his passions seem to change depending on what job he's hired for,

That writes off as cynical careerists all of those of us who have changed jobs in their lifetime. I've done a variety of jobs over the years and enjoyed them all which apparently isn't possbile.

That's going a bit far. I doubt you published statements portraying each job as fulfilling some overriding top priority for you. I certainly didn't as I moved from low-paid factory and retail jobs to education to IT.


I was certainly asked to write a cover letter for most of them saying why I wanted the job and its usually asked as a question at interview. And we're hardly going to say its just another job are we?

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Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

Postby Psamathe » 28 Feb 2016, 9:47am

TonyR wrote:
mjr wrote:
TonyR wrote:mjt said: "The argument is that his passions seem to change depending on what job he's hired for,"
That writes off as cynical careerists all of those of us who have changed jobs in their lifetime. I've done a variety of jobs over the years and enjoyed them all which apparently isn't possbile.

That's going a bit far. I doubt you published statements portraying each job as fulfilling some overriding top priority for you. I certainly didn't as I moved from low-paid factory and retail jobs to education to IT.


I was certainly asked to write a cover letter for most of them saying why I wanted the job and its usually asked as a question at interview. And we're hardly going to say its just another job are we?

Which is where interviewing skills become so important. The interviewer has to be able to find out what the real motive and intent of the applicant is. And there is the aspect of "be careful what you wish for". So a small savings organisation might feel that have managed a real coup if they managed to recruit Sir Fred (with all that banking, "managing change", experience together with a proven track record of fast company growth ...).

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