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Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 9:31pm
by Vitara
Bonefishblues wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:I'm Philip Benstead!


There is a forum member *Philip Benstead*. Are there two people with the same name, or do you use aliases? I am very confused

I think Gaz twigged :lol:


I'm Philip Benstead, and so's my wife

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 10:03pm
by Bonefishblues
Vitara wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:
There is a forum member *Philip Benstead*. Are there two people with the same name, or do you use aliases? I am very confused

I think Gaz twigged :lol:


I'm Philip Benstead, and so's my wife

We're the Benstead Triplets!

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 5 Jun 2017, 7:47am
by brynpoeth
Who might replace him if/when he goes? PB?

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 5 Jun 2017, 12:01pm
by JohnW
This may be a stupid question (typical of me, actually) but given the current situation and set-up of the erstwhile CTC - what's wrong with him?

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 5 Jun 2017, 12:08pm
by Psamathe
JohnW wrote:This may be a stupid question (typical of me, actually) but given the current situation and set-up of the erstwhile CTC - what's wrong with him?

e.g. The way they discarded CJ e.g. the money spent on rebranding only to see the membership numbers in decline, etc.

Ian

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 5 Jun 2017, 2:43pm
by JohnW
Psamathe wrote:
JohnW wrote:This may be a stupid question (typical of me, actually) but given the current situation and set-up of the erstwhile CTC - what's wrong with him?

e.g. The way they discarded CJ e.g. the money spent on rebranding only to see the membership numbers in decline, etc.

Ian


Thanks Ian. Personally I agree with you in deploring the matters that you refer to, together with a myriad of other things. However, is all this the sole fault of PT? This all started before PT came, and I believe that the previous chair has a higher degree of responsibility for the demise of our club for cyclists than the Chief Exec. in the final analysis, isn't the chief exec there to be an obedient employee and to do as the dictating board tells him.

This could open a can of worms that should remain closed, but I don't want to demonise an individual unjustly.

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 6 Jun 2017, 1:20pm
by SA_SA_SA
I complained officially about the Technical Officer being (very silently) made redundant, but was unhappy with the meaningless-corporate-speak style response from a subordinate (as requested by CEO): I had hoped for an apology, with an announcement of official recognition of his(Chris Juden's) work in next Cycle mag.

I don't want this thread to be a discussion of PT and his management style (you can research it elsewhere), I only want responses on when he will leave (which doesn't seem to be known :( ).

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 6 Jun 2017, 2:44pm
by Psamathe
SA_SA_SA wrote:I complained officially about the Technical Officer being (very silently) made redundant, but was unhappy with the meaningless-corporate-speak style response from a subordinate (as requested by CEO)...

You should be celebrating from the roof-tops that you got a response. That is a real achievement with the CTC so they must hold you in particularly high regard.

Ian

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 11 Jun 2017, 7:22pm
by keithpoole
I'm now seeing charities referred to as "The third sector" which sums it up neatly for me. A whole area divorced from the realities of wealth creation (private sector) and community needs (public sector) which when analysed exists solely to collect money from people and distribute it to others and in doing so create a whole industry of fairly well-paid individuals who hop up the ladder from small to bigger charities like fleas. So Mr T will go or not if and when an opening offers itself.

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 11 Jun 2017, 7:47pm
by mjr
Third sector also includes community interest companies and most cooperatives, who shouldn't be tarred with the same brush IMO. It's basically everything not for private profit or in state ownership.

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 11 Jun 2017, 7:53pm
by meic
Not for Profit can be another wolf in sheep's clothing. The company does not make a profit and ploughs everything back into the enterprise.
Everything that is left, if anything at all, after the CEO, her husband and other employees have taken their lucrative salaries (and generous expenses) out. :wink:

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 11 Jun 2017, 8:08pm
by brynpoeth
keithpoole wrote:I'm now seeing charities referred to as "The third sector" which sums it up neatly for me. A whole area divorced from the realities of wealth creation (private sector) and community needs (private sector) which when analysed exists solely to collect money from people and distribute it to others and in doing so create a whole industry of fairly well-paid individuals who hop up the ladder from small to bigger charities like fleas. So Mr T will go or not if and when an opening offers itself.


The press/media is the fourth Estate, what are the second and first?

Many charities do work that the state should be doing (food banks). What about Oxfam, Christian Aid etc, do they employ highly paid executives?

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 11 Jun 2017, 8:39pm
by roubaixtuesday
The press/media is the fourth Estate, what are the second and first?


There are two quite unconnected concepts here.

One is the branches of government:
1. Legislature (parliament) which makes the law
2. Executive (government) which implements the law
3. Judiciary which adjudicates disputes in the law.

In principle, these should be independent. This thinking was formalised during the enlightenment, notably by Thomas Paine in the "Rights of Man"

My understanding is that whilst a free press is not formally part of constitutional government, it has been considered so integral to effective governance that it is referred to as the 4th arm or "estate"

Wiki provides some slightly different but related interpretations too ( clergy/nobility/commoners as alternative first three estates) [edited for clarity]

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 11 Jun 2017, 8:43pm
by roubaixtuesday
The "third sector" is an unrelated concept.

Essentially private (profit making) is one sector of the economy, the "private sector"

Government is a second sector - the "public sector"

the "third sector" is charitable or other non-profit making activity not run by the government.

Although in practice, I think many third sector organisations are almost quasi public sector as they can rely very strongly on public subsidy.

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 11 Jun 2017, 10:29pm
by mjr
You can just as easily say that many private sector organisations are quasi public sector because they've become dependant on public contracts.

I agree that profit is an accounting trick, which is why I rarely use the term "not for profit" any more.