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Re: New look Cycling UK clothing ... coming soon.

Posted: 5 Mar 2019, 4:04pm
by mjr
loch eck steve wrote:See the new look jersey has been unveiled , don't think it looks too bad .

Where? https://shop.cyclinguk.org/cycling-uk-jersey looks the same to me.

Re: New look Cycling UK clothing ... coming soon.

Posted: 5 Mar 2019, 4:32pm
by AndyK
It was announced in the latest Cycleclips newsletter. It'll be available "very soon". Here's the pic from the newsletter:

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Certainly a lot better than the previous one.

Re: New look Cycling UK clothing ... coming soon.

Posted: 5 Mar 2019, 6:22pm
by Spinners
Sky-ish ain't it?!!

Re: New look Cycling UK clothing ... coming soon.

Posted: 5 Mar 2019, 6:50pm
by mjr
Spinners wrote:Sky-ish ain't it?!!

Well, I guess they've stopped sponsoring Brutish Cycling and announced they're stopping sponsoring Team Sky... ;)

Re: New look Cycling UK clothing ... coming soon.

Posted: 6 Mar 2019, 10:05am
by loch eck steve
Spinners wrote:Sky-ish ain't it?!!

:D :D

Re: New look Cycling UK clothing ... coming soon.

Posted: 1 Apr 2019, 10:18am
by steady eddy
Given their constant campaigning for road safety for cyclists Why do they persist in only doing clothing in dark colours?

Re: New look Cycling UK clothing ... coming soon.

Posted: 1 Apr 2019, 11:23am
by mjr
steady eddy wrote:Given their constant campaigning for road safety for cyclists Why do they persist in only doing clothing in dark colours?

Because clothing colour basically doesn't matter and CUK is more evidence-led than the Highway Code, perhaps.

Re: New look Cycling UK clothing ... coming soon.

Posted: 8 Apr 2019, 10:15am
by steady eddy
I had an opportunity to observe this yesterday when I was out. Put a cyclist in black against a dark background or in low light and do the same with one wearing a bright colour. The one in black all but disappears.
Why do people working on building sites or the railway wear high viz - Its so they can be seen.
The evidence may relate to accident stats but what evidence is there of near misses or collisions avoided because cyclists were more visible.
I can only comment on what I see - Like many others I prefer to cycle in bright colours, (an option endorsed by Cycling UK) so they could at least give me and other like me the option.

Re: New look Cycling UK clothing ... coming soon.

Posted: 8 Apr 2019, 1:14pm
by mjr
steady eddy wrote:I had an opportunity to observe this yesterday when I was out. Put a cyclist in black against a dark background or in low light and do the same with one wearing a bright colour. The one in black all but disappears.

Now put them against the more common steel grey sky with low sun and the one in black will stand out and the one wearing a "bright" colour will be difficult to see.

steady eddy wrote:Why do people working on building sites or the railway wear high viz - Its so they can be seen.

Building sites it's because people will be in unusual places and need to be seen by the likes of crane operators far away viewing unfamiliar situations from unusual angles, to reduce the risk of getting a panel or pallet put on their head.

Railways it's because the oncoming vehicle can't swerve and is difficult to stop so being able to see something along straight tracks at 2 miles away is better than only seeing it at 1 mile.

None of those reasons apply to roads and it's not safe to generalise across the domains. Who wears hi-vis on the roads? Roadworkers, street cleaners and bin collectors who mostly move at walking pace and I don't want to be confused with them by a driver who subconsciously thinks I'm near-static when really I'm moving at 20mph.

steady eddy wrote:The evidence may relate to accident stats but what evidence is there of near misses or collisions avoided because cyclists were more visible.

None whatsoever, but who can tell if it's because we can't have evidence of what doesn't happen or because there's no effect?

steady eddy wrote:I can only comment on what I see - Like many others I prefer to cycle in bright colours, (an option endorsed by Cycling UK) so they could at least give me and other like me the option.

If CUK is endorsing ugly clothes, they are not being evidence-led and I welcome the new look clothing as a step towards normalising cycling.

Re: New look Cycling UK clothing ... coming soon.

Posted: 8 Apr 2019, 4:24pm
by AndyK
mjr wrote:
steady eddy wrote:I can only comment on what I see - Like many others I prefer to cycle in bright colours, (an option endorsed by Cycling UK) so they could at least give me and other like me the option.

If CUK is endorsing ugly clothes, they are not being evidence-led and I welcome the new look clothing as a step towards normalising cycling.

Steady eddy has an interesting definition of "endorsed", I feel. From the website:

Rule 59 [of the Highway Code] [...] advises cyclists to wear light coloured or fluorescent clothing "which helps other people to see you" in daylight and poor light, and "reflective clothing and / or accessories (belt, arm or ankle bands) in the dark".

The merits of reflective clothing and hi-viz are dealt with in our 10 common questions about cycling briefing, but in essence the research suggests that retroreflective accessories designed to make you more conspicuous in the dark, especially ankle straps that move when you pedal, are beneficial. Conversely there is very little evidence to suggest that hi-viz (as opposed to reflective strips and items) makes a significant impact on cyclists' safety. The research suggests that it may help drivers to spot pedestrians and cyclists more readily, but there was no evidence by how much and it was impossible to say whether that made them safer, as spotting them was one thing and driving safely around them another.

Unfortunately, whether or not the cyclist was wearing a helmet and hi-viz appears to be a priority within many press reports following collisions involving cyclists, a factor which can influence whether or not the police decide to prosecute a driver, and an issue raised in evidence in court proceedings to determine either cause of death, civil liability or criminal responsibility.

Accordingly, whatever Cycling UK's views may be regarding helmets and clothing being personal choices, and whatever the safety merits of either may be, the reality is that the rule 59 advice is often sadly used to deflect blame to the cyclist and, in relation to clothing, to attempt to explain why a driver either failed to see or failed to avoid hitting a cyclist. Strangely, it does not seem to apply in reverse, so if you hit a black car you can't blame the owner or manufacturer for their paint colour choice. It's apparently just cyclists in dark clothes who can't be seen.

https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/whats ... -your-bike

Re: New look Cycling UK clothing ... coming soon.

Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 12:55pm
by steady eddy
Oh what a can of worms I have opened

Re: New look Cycling UK clothing ... coming soon.

Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 7:39pm
by RickH
steady eddy wrote:Oh what a can of worms I have opened

Rather than a can of beans! :D
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Foska Beanz jersey

(link)

Re: New look Cycling UK clothing ... coming soon.

Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 8:03pm
by Lance Dopestrong
steady eddy wrote:Given their constant campaigning for road safety for cyclists Why do they persist in only doing clothing in dark colours?


To make us more consipcuous on bright sunny days, of course.

Re: New look Cycling UK clothing ... coming soon.

Posted: 11 Apr 2019, 10:06pm
by gaz
steady eddy wrote:Oh what a can of worms I have opened

Don't worry AndyK has shut it quickly and firmly. I can't imagine that any of them had time to escape.

Re: New look Cycling UK clothing ... coming soon.

Posted: 12 Apr 2019, 4:44pm
by AndyK
gaz wrote:
steady eddy wrote:Oh what a can of worms I have opened

Don't worry AndyK has shut it quickly and firmly. I can't imagine that any of them had time to escape.

Why get into an argument when I know how to cut-and-paste? :D