AGM Motion for 2019

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Re: AGM Motion for 2019

Postby pwa » 16 Jan 2019, 8:20pm

How do CUK members feel about this? I don't mean just those that are very active, I mean all those who pay their annual membership fee. A lot of those, most perhaps, don't vote but might very well have an opinion about this afterwards. Wouldn't it be wiser to test the water before jumping in, and sample opinion out there among the silent masses?

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Re: AGM Motion for 2019

Postby charliepolecat » 16 Jan 2019, 8:32pm

makes it easy for them to believe that the cyclist probably deserved it for being such a risk taker when they collided with the lorry.


Good point. Suggesting to the motoring public that cycling is 'inherently' dangerous and risky will give them the response that they are doing public works by condemning cyclists and they are right in treating them as wrong doers.

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Re: AGM Motion for 2019

Postby Steady rider » 16 Jan 2019, 8:41pm

I don't think many members would fully understand why the Highway Codes advice to wear a helmet needs removing, changing or caveats or warnings adding.
Many will know about the legal implications in case of accidents and compensation.

A revises version;
"That Cycling UK cycle helmet policy promoting choice in their use, without coercion or requirements to use them, is very good. Further action should be taken to discuss with the Department for Transport possible changes to the Highway Code that are needed and without delay, to update the advice in the Code and result in better advice and legal protection for cyclists, reflecting Cycling UK policy.

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Re: AGM Motion for 2019

Postby fastpedaller » 16 Jan 2019, 8:46pm

Steady rider wrote:I don't think many members would fully understand why the Highway Codes advice to wear a helmet needs removing, changing or caveats or warnings adding.
Many will know about the legal implications in case of accidents and compensation.

A revises version;
"That Cycling UK cycle helmet policy promoting choice in their use, without coercion or requirements to use them, is very good. Further action should be taken to discuss with the Department for Transport possible changes to the Highway Code that are needed and without delay, to update the advice in the Code and result in better advice and legal protection for cyclists, reflecting Cycling UK policy.


I like that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Re: AGM Motion for 2019

Postby The utility cyclist » 17 Jan 2019, 4:45pm

The inclusion of the recommendation of helmets and hi-vis in the HC is discriminatory and aids criminals in being absolved of their crimes as well as victim blaming which leads to discrimination when claiming monies in compensation. There's never the same question asked of pedestrians or motorists when they are injured/killed by others, only those on bikes! It's particularly galling when you know that if the solicitor had anything about them they could use a whole host of facts and arguments to send forth the contributory claim aspect.
IMO we do not challenge judges enough nor coroners who make regularly make unfounded/fact free statements and judgements when it comes to helmets, which further damages the cause of safe cycling and justice when it comes to being harmed :twisted:

The result of all of this means we get THIS all the time now on the CUK social media platforms ... yup, cycling is so safe everyone needs a plastic hat!
https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/never ... Dit8QRZjp8
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Re: AGM Motion for 2019

Postby Steady rider » 17 Jan 2019, 7:43pm

revised
"That Cycling UK cycle helmet policy of allowing for choice in their use, without coercion or requirements to use them, is very good. Further action should be taken to discuss and provide information to the Department for Transport, showing why the Highway Code’s advice should be updated, without delay, to provide better advice and legal protection for cyclists"

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Re: AGM Motion for 2019

Postby gaz » 18 Jan 2019, 8:54am

Steady rider wrote:"That Cycling UK cycle helmet policy of allowing for choice in their use, without coercion or requirements to use them, is very good.

Part one of the proposed Motion is essentially a vote of confidence in Cycling UK policy.

Steady rider wrote:Further action should be taken to discuss and provide information to the Department for Transport, showing why the Highway Code’s advice should be updated, without delay, to provide better advice and legal protection for cyclists"

The government response to Cycling and Walking Investment Strategy (CWIS) safety review made it clear in November 2018 that they intend to continue helmet promotion.
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Government response to CWIS safety review

As I believe Cycling UK are already campaigning for change, part two of your proposed motion appears to me as a similar vote of confidence. I see no need for a motion instructing Cycling UK to seek change, they already are.

Just to play Devil's Advocate for a moment, what do you think the consequence would be of the membership voting against?

You are probably thinking "how could the member's not support this motion?" Well, ask yourself about all those pictures of helmet wearing riders on club runs where helmets are still optional, the sportives supported by those who are happy to comply with compulsory helmet rules, the thread about a member group seeking to introduce compulsory helmets and now considering leaving Cycling UK as they were told they could not, etc.

In any case I expect the Trustees would continue to favour the evidence and policy would not change: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=211&start=15#p1444
David wrote:... CTC could not sensibly support something which would reduce the number of cyclists - and therefore damage the health of the nation - even if members voted for it.

However I'd imagine their negotiating hand, such as it is, would be considerably weakened if the DfT could retort "your members voted, we know they don't support your policy."

Be careful what you wish for, especially when you already have it.

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Re: AGM Motion for 2019

Postby Steady rider » 18 Jan 2019, 9:49am

I think gaz has made some good points.

Revising to;

Motion
Cycling UK is seeking changes to the Highway Code and further action should be taken to discuss and provide information and presentations to the Department for Transport, showing why the Highway Code’s advice should be updated, without delay, to provide better advice and legal protection for cyclists.

Reasons
Improvements to the Code are needed in a number of areas: close passing, dooring, allowing people to wear normal clothing without additional safety aids and still be entitled to full compensation in the event of an accident. The motion seeks to cover these areas and present information to show why changes are needed.
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Re: AGM Motion for 2019

Postby Wanlock Dod » 20 Jan 2019, 9:58am

Looks good

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Re: AGM Motion for 2019

Postby Oldjohnw » 20 Jan 2019, 11:43am

....number of areas, close passing, dooring.....


You need a colon after areas.
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Re: AGM Motion for 2019

Postby Steady rider » 20 Jan 2019, 5:25pm

Thanks, included :

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Re: AGM Motion for 2019

Postby AndyK » 22 Jan 2019, 4:26pm

Just catching up on this. I have to agree with Gaz: this appears to be telling Cycling UK to do things it's already doing.

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Re: AGM Motion for 2019

Postby Steady rider » 23 Jan 2019, 8:29am

Revising the Reasons section
Motion
Cycling UK is seeking changes to the Highway Code and further action should be taken to discuss and provide information and presentations to the Department for Transport, showing why the Highway Code’s advice should be updated, without delay, to provide better advice and legal protection for cyclists.

Reasons
Improvements to the Code are needed in a number of areas: close passing, dooring, allowing people to wear normal clothing without additional safety aids and still be entitled to full compensation in the event of an accident. Cycling UK already knows these changes are needed and working towards seeking improvements. The motion seeks to cover these areas and present information from research recently published and from research not yet published to show why changes are needed. The supporting evidence could then be presented by the author of the research, who could address questions from the DfT as well as Cycling UK campaigners providing evidence. This would strengthen the case for changes to the Highway Code.

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Re: AGM Motion for 2019

Postby reohn2 » 23 Jan 2019, 8:38am

The utility cyclist wrote:The inclusion of the recommendation of helmets and hi-vis in the HC is discriminatory and aids criminals in being absolved of their crimes as well as victim blaming which leads to discrimination when claiming monies in compensation. There's never the same question asked of pedestrians or motorists when they are injured/killed by others, only those on bikes! It's particularly galling when you know that if the solicitor had anything about them they could use a whole host of facts and arguments to send forth the contributory claim aspect.
IMO we do not challenge judges enough nor coroners who make regularly make unfounded/fact free statements and judgements when it comes to helmets, which further damages the cause of safe cycling and justice when it comes to being harmed :twisted:.......


I'm not a member and so don't usually contribute to CTC/CUK topics,but 100% agree with the above statement.
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Re: AGM Motion for 2019

Postby Steady rider » 26 Jan 2019, 2:54pm

Copy of submitted motion

Cycling UK is seeking changes to the Highway Code and further action should be taken to discuss and provide information and presentations to the Department for Transport, showing why the Highway Code’s advice should be updated, without delay, to provide better advice and legal protection for cyclists.

Reasons
Improvements to the Code are needed in a number of areas: close passing, dooring, allowing people to wear normal clothing without additional safety aids and still be entitled to full compensation in the event of an accident. Cycling UK already knows these changes are needed and working towards seeking improvements. The motion seeks to cover these areas and present information from research recently published and from research not yet published to show why changes are needed. The supporting weight of evidence could then be presented by the author of the research, who could address questions from the DfT as well as Cycling UK campaigners providing evidence. This would strengthen the case for changes to the Highway Code.