Cycling UK statement on Covid19

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mjr wrote:
farnorth wrote:There's research 'out there' that suggests a fore and aft distance of more like 20 m is appropriate.

No, there's a newspaper interview about unpublished research in progress which has itself been rereported in English, often with mistakes. While bike haters like to push that extreme upper limit, the highest credible I've seen yet is the 5m advice on Belgian TV or the similar triathlon non-drafting rule of 7m behind the front of the bike in front.

British Triathlon drafting rules vary by length of event.

Sprint and standard distance = 10m behind the front of the bike in front.
Middle and Long distance = 12m behind the front of the bike in front.
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Syd wrote:
mjr wrote:[...] the 5m advice on Belgian TV or the similar triathlon non-drafting rule of 7m behind the front of the bike in front.

British Triathlon drafting rules vary by length of event.

Sprint and standard distance = 10m behind the front of the bike in front.
Middle and Long distance = 12m behind the front of the bike in front.

Yes, it seems triathlon has mostly gone to 10m since the version I was looking at.

Still, now the motorists are back in great numbers, it's deterring enough cyclists that you rarely need to be that close :-(
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Cycling UK update posted today: https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/how-m ... g-lockdown

Still no target date to restart events, so nothing volunteers can plan around. A couple of local groups are now discussing restarting on their own timetables. One seems to be planning to follow BC instead - I don't know if they will change their affiliation in due course. CUK seem MIA. :(
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Update posted today: https://www.cyclinguk.org/news/coronavi ... e-guidance

CUK now advise that well-spaced small group rides can restart. I feel this was just rubber-stamping what some CUK groups had already announced to supporters they're going to do anyway, but it's probably good that they have rather than have a farce if there was any organisers' insurance claim.
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CUK and BC guidelines on group rides are now slightly at odds. CUK are saying group rides of up to 6 are now OK. BC are being far more cautious and recommending that you can only have a group ride of up to 6 in a traffic free environment, the need to social distance in a group means the space requirements are too great for riding on the road.

If we only have to stay 2 metres apart, then most group rides are like that anyway. The rider in front’s back wheel and your front wheel probably take up over a metre, meaning you only have to leave a 3 feet gap to the bike in front. Side by side is more difficult, but still possible. A lot of people seem to think that you should be leaving a 2m gap between bikes.
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TrevA wrote:BC are being far more cautious and recommending that you can only have a group ride of up to 6 in a traffic free environment, the need to social distance in a group means the space requirements are too great for riding on the road.

Someone should remind BC that cyclists are valid traffic too! ;)

.75m edge gap + .5m half a dynamic envelope + 2m gap + 1m dynamic envelope = 4.25m, so side by side only fits on wide single carriageways or where there's more than .5m edge strip, so you'd have to single out more and probably be ready for overtaking cars slotting in mid-group, but that's OK, isn't it?
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Question: Is a CUK group's Indemnity Insurance invalidated if a CUK member of that group attends a group meeting at the appointed destination travelling independently by cycle, i.e. he/she joins the gathering of a club ride at say a coffee stop having made their own way there and home independently? Assume that any group gathering shall not exceed 6 in number.
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Paul Fenton wrote:Question: Is a CUK group's Indemnity Insurance invalidated if a CUK member of that group attends a group meeting at the appointed destination travelling independently by cycle, i.e. he/she joins the gathering of a club ride at say a coffee stop having made their own way there and home independently? Assume that any group gathering shall not exceed 6 in number.

The above link says "group cover provided under the Organiser’s Liability insurance could potentially be invalid if a club or affiliated group decides to go against the advice issued by Cycling UK" - As long as there's still at most 6 of you, what CUK advice would it be against?

If you can't find anything either, then I think it wouldn't affected the Organiser’s Liability insurance. Is that what you meant by "group's Indemnity Insurance"?
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Thanks. Yes I was asking about the groups, i.e. 'organisers' indemnity insurance. I guess the issue centres on whether the indemnity covers all aspects of an 'event' - in this scenario a club ride, both on the road and off, i.e. at a cafe. A consideration might be that an additional member arriving part of the way into a fully subscribed (6 persons) club ride, would, from the position of someone already on the ride, be another person he/she has contact with, making the risk of infection to one and all 1 in 7 or more rather than 1 in 6. Is that to be taken as a breach of CUK Covid 19 guidance? If it doesn't specifically say so then it isn't?
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Has there been a recent revision of CUK Guidance on numbers involved in MG rides? Rumour locally is that up to 15 is now allowed. I thought this applied to N Ireland and Scotland only. For the rest of the UK it is 6?
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Paul Fenton wrote:Has there been a recent revision of CUK Guidance on numbers involved in MG rides? Rumour locally is that up to 15 is now allowed. I thought this applied to N Ireland and Scotland only. For the rest of the UK it is 6?

No rumour. Check the guidance link given earlier https://www.cyclinguk.org/news/coronavi ... e-guidance

The UK government advises 6 but notes different advice apply to exercise groups and some other things. Last time I checked, the limit in law was 30 but we're advised not to get near that.

Edit: and as soon as I posted that, the BBC start announcing that the legal limit will be cut to 6 from Monday but there will be exemption for some sports (who knows if cycling is one or not) and Boris will announce the details tomorrow. So it could all be different next week.
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I think that the term they used was "organised sports". I would, thus guess that an organised club run would fall under this, but a group of mates meeting for a ride wouldn't. The difference being that there is a ride leader/organiser who is responsible for maintaining CV19 measures. But that's just a guess....probably be a few U turns before we know for sure.
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Si wrote:I think that the term they used was "organised sports".

Yes, confirmed in the transcript at https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... ember-2020

I would, thus guess that an organised club run would fall under this, but a group of mates meeting for a ride wouldn't. The difference being that there is a ride leader/organiser who is responsible for maintaining CV19 measures.

If that's the difference then it's an utter farce. That's about as realistic as thinking a ride leader/organiser can be responsible for making sure non-paying guests don't ride along with the group on the public highway: they have basically no power to make riders do or stop doing anything, as I've already discussed on here a couple of times.

But that's just a guess....probably be a few U turns before we know for sure.

Oh I hope so. There seems so little difference between cycling in a group of 6 and cycling on a busy cycle route, with both being very low risk as long as no-one is symptomatic, that imposing this limit on group rides is bonkers and probably the latest attempt to distract us from the government's performance.

I guess we're about to find out whether CUK is willing to defend public cycling or only its members and affiliates.
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So, the rules have changed again. I’m in a Tier 2 area where the Rule of 6 applies outside but there’s no mixing of households inside. So we can still ride in groups of 6 but the cafe stop is likely to cause problems, as we can’t mix inside. So it’s either no stop club rides, rides with a cafe stop but sit outside (brrrrrrrr!) or sit inside but apart from each other, which not many cafes are set up for. Or go old school, carry a flask and sandwiches in your saddlebag.
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TrevA wrote:So, the rules have changed again. I’m in a Tier 2 area where the Rule of 6 applies outside but there’s no mixing of households inside. So we can still ride in groups of 6 but the cafe stop is likely to cause problems, as we can’t mix inside.

It's impossible to make much sense of it, I'm just up the road from you and in a area rated as medium. So does the local restriction apply based on where you live or where the cafe stop is?
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