Cycling UK Interim CEO

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Re: Cycling UK Interim CEO

Postby reohn2 » 21 Apr 2020, 10:29am

roubaixtuesday wrote:
reohn2 wrote:This is what happens when a club owned and run by it's members is turned into a so called "charity" and run as a business and it's members become donors.


What happens? You get professional leadership in place? Why is that a bad thing?

What was so bad before when the club(now a "charity")was run and owned by it's members?
How much better is it now than then?
How much more has the "charity" achieved since it's "charitable" status?
It now receives money and tax relief from the very structure it campaigned against with the threat of withdrawal of those benefits and "charitable" status if it makes too many of the wrong noises.
No I'm sorry but the CTC,CUK as it now terms itself,is a "charity" in name only,it was hijacked some time ago and now like so many other so called "charities" has become a business with it's donorship seeing little "charity" or any more benefit as a result.
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Re: Cycling UK Interim CEO

Postby Tinpotflowers » 21 Apr 2020, 10:47am

reohn2 wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
reohn2 wrote:This is what happens when a club owned and run by it's members is turned into a so called "charity" and run as a business and it's members become donors.


What happens? You get professional leadership in place? Why is that a bad thing?

What was so bad before when the club(now a "charity")was run and owned by it's members?
How much better is it now than then?
How much more has the "charity" achieved since it's "charitable" status?
It now receives money and tax relief from the very structure it campaigned against with the threat of withdrawal of those benefits and "charitable" status if it makes too many of the wrong noises.
No I'm sorry but the CTC,CUK as it now terms itself,is a "charity" in name only,it was hijacked some time ago and now like so many other so called "charities" has become a business with it's donorship seeing little "charity" or any more benefit as a result.



Members of the CTC voted to be charity moving away from a member-focused member lead organization to one focusing on promoting cycling generally and being led by selected talented people who aim to create a thrusting go ahead and forward-looking organization.

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Re: Cycling UK Interim CEO

Postby roubaixtuesday » 21 Apr 2020, 10:47am

reohn2 wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
reohn2 wrote:This is what happens when a club owned and run by it's members is turned into a so called "charity" and run as a business and it's members become donors.


What happens? You get professional leadership in place? Why is that a bad thing?

What was so bad before when the club(now a "charity")was run and owned by it's members?
How much better is it now than then?
How much more has the "charity" achieved since it's "charitable" status?
It now receives money and tax relief from the very structure it campaigned against with the threat of withdrawal of those benefits and "charitable" status if it makes too many of the wrong noises.
No I'm sorry but the CTC,CUK as it now terms itself,is a "charity" in name only,it was hijacked some time ago and now like so many other so called "charities" has become a business with it's donorship seeing little "charity" or any more benefit as a result.


You seemed to imply that having professional leadership is a bad thing, brought on by charitable status. My question is what is wrong with the organisation, whether club, charity, business, partnership, social enterprise or whatever, recruiting professional leadership? I don't understand what you're objecting to?

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Re: Cycling UK Interim CEO

Postby Paulatic » 21 Apr 2020, 10:58am

Tinpotflowers wrote:
Members of the CTC voted to be charity moving away from a member-focused member lead organization to one focusing on promoting cycling generally and being led by selected talented people who aim to create a thrusting go ahead and forward-looking organization.


That might well have been the vision but has it been the reality?
If it has been the reality then i feel any benefits have passed me by.
To be fair I have always been an intermittent member but a definite not at all these last few years.
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Re: Cycling UK Interim CEO

Postby reohn2 » 21 Apr 2020, 11:00am

I'm objecting to a cycling club being stolen from under the noses of it's membership and turned into a business masquerading as a "charity".
I realise it's a contentious issue for some,but I can't see what it's achieved anymore than when it was member owned and run,for all the over inflated salaries being paid to it's top executives toeing a government line with a threat of losing their salaries if they don't!
There's also been much money spent on rebranding and repackaging.
It used to be a CYCLIST'S TOURING CLUB it's not that anymore and is the worse for it IMHO.
YVMV mine won't,it lost my membership when it was hijacked and became what it never was before.
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Re: Cycling UK Interim CEO

Postby Tinpotflowers » 21 Apr 2020, 11:16am

reohn2 wrote:I'm objecting to a cycling club being stolen from under the noses of it's membership and turned into a business masquerading as a "charity".
I realise it's a contentious issue for some,but I can't see what it's achieved anymore than when it was member owned and run,for all the over inflated salaries being paid to it's top executives toeing a government line with a threat of losing their salaries if they don't!
There's also been much money spent on rebranding and repackaging.
It used to be a CYCLE TOURING CLUB it's not that anymore and is the worse for it IMHO.
YVMV mine won't,it lost my membership when it was hijacked and became what it never was before.


You mean "Cyclists' Touring Club"

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Re: Cycling UK Interim CEO

Postby reohn2 » 21 Apr 2020, 11:21am

Tinpotflowers wrote:
reohn2 wrote:I'm objecting to a cycling club being stolen from under the noses of it's membership and turned into a business masquerading as a "charity".
I realise it's a contentious issue for some,but I can't see what it's achieved anymore than when it was member owned and run,for all the over inflated salaries being paid to it's top executives toeing a government line with a threat of losing their salaries if they don't!
There's also been much money spent on rebranding and repackaging.
It used to be a CYCLE TOURING CLUB it's not that anymore and is the worse for it IMHO.
YVMV mine won't,it lost my membership when it was hijacked and became what it never was before.


You mean "Cyclists' Touring Club"

That's the one do forgive my poor grammar,no amended :wink:
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Re: Cycling UK Interim CEO

Postby Cyril Haearn » 21 Apr 2020, 11:21am

R2: What are the right noises and wrong noises? How could it lose charitable status?

I think some staff members have been there many years, under old and the new regimes
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Whatabout the rspb? It has enormous power, wealth, influence
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Re: Cycling UK Interim CEO

Postby reohn2 » 21 Apr 2020, 11:30am

Cyril Haearn wrote:R2: What are the right noises and wrong noises? How could it lose charitable status?

The government under May's leadership :roll: issued a warning to the effect that charities receiving government grants or tax relief
making anti government noises would suffer the withdrawal of that funding and tax relief

I think some staff members have been there many years, under old and the new regimes

Undoubtably,and some were made redundant after many years of faithful service,it's superb technical officer Chris Juden was one of them!

Whatabout the rspb? It has enormous power, wealth, influence

What about checking what the RSPB has done for the protection of birds?
The RSPB is and always has been a true charity IMHO.
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Re: Cycling UK Interim CEO

Postby roubaixtuesday » 21 Apr 2020, 11:36am

reohn2 wrote:I'm objecting to a cycling club being stolen from under the noses of it's membership and turned into a business masquerading as a "charity".
I realise it's a contentious issue for some,but I can't see what it's achieved anymore than when it was member owned and run,for all the over inflated salaries being paid to it's top executives toeing a government line with a threat of losing their salaries if they don't!
There's also been much money spent on rebranding and repackaging.
It used to be a CYCLIST'S TOURING CLUB it's not that anymore and is the worse for it IMHO.
YVMV mine won't,it lost my membership when it was hijacked and became what it never was before.


Sure, you preferred how it was in the past.

But it isn't like that now, like it or not.

So what's your specific objection to the advert for an interim CEO? It's not at all clear to me.

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Re: Cycling UK Interim CEO

Postby reohn2 » 21 Apr 2020, 11:44am

roubaixtuesday wrote:
reohn2 wrote:I'm objecting to a cycling club being stolen from under the noses of it's membership and turned into a business masquerading as a "charity".
I realise it's a contentious issue for some,but I can't see what it's achieved anymore than when it was member owned and run,for all the over inflated salaries being paid to it's top executives toeing a government line with a threat of losing their salaries if they don't!
There's also been much money spent on rebranding and repackaging.
It used to be a CYCLIST'S TOURING CLUB it's not that anymore and is the worse for it IMHO.
YVMV mine won't,it lost my membership when it was hijacked and became what it never was before.


Sure, you preferred how it was in the past.

But it isn't like that now, like it or not.

So what's your specific objection to the advert for an interim CEO? It's not at all clear to me.

The amount of money being wasted on salaries for no appreciable gain for cycling,especially touring cycling and that IMHO the club was stolen from it's members.
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Re: Cycling UK Interim CEO

Postby Bonefishblues » 21 Apr 2020, 11:58am

Was there ever a splinter group - actual or proposed? (Just interested)

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Re: Cycling UK Interim CEO

Postby Tinpotflowers » 21 Apr 2020, 12:07pm

Bonefishblues wrote:Was there ever a splinter group - actual or proposed? (Just interested)



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Re: Cycling UK Interim CEO

Postby Bonefishblues » 21 Apr 2020, 12:12pm

Obliged, will take a look

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Re: Cycling UK Interim CEO

Postby Cyril Haearn » 21 Apr 2020, 12:23pm

Seems a lot of money to me, whatever do others think?
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