Disagreement with AGM resolutions

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Re: Disagreement with AGM resolutions

Postby Jdsk » 18 Oct 2020, 10:29am

Bikes`n`guns wrote:if I was joining a cycling club/organisation I would expect them to promote cycling.

The relevant Charitable Objective has already been quoted. But every individual and every organisation should be thinking about the damage they do to our shared planet. Leaving litter in public places always seems a good analogy.

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PS: Let's not accuse others of hypocrisy if it's only inconsistency. There's enough division around as it is.

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Re: Disagreement with AGM resolutions

Postby CJ » 21 Oct 2020, 6:14pm

AndyK wrote:The organisation's four registered Charitable Objectives include:

"4. PROMOTE THE CONSERVATION AND PROTECTION OF THE ENVIRONMENT."

so I don't think it's unreasonable for Cycling UK to do its bit in this regard. It's one thing for members to fly off to foreign parts to have cycling holidays; it's quite another for Cycling UK to actively encourage them to do so.


I put it to you, that Cycling UK is NOT "doing its bit in this regard". Doing its bit would be to join forces with the ECF in campaigning for the green alternative to flying of taking your bike across Europe on the train. But CUK does not even publicise this vitally useful campaign.

A refusal to advertise or organise holidays that include flights is by comparison an EMPTY GESTURE - a cheap and easy absence of action, that contributes nothing towards the objective quoted above. For so long as it remains very difficult to take your bicycle abroad any other way, cyclists will continue to fly. And holidays in which one cannot easily participate without flying will continue to be advertised and organised by CUK - just without the flight included. Most European holidays already leave one to book one's own transport, it's so easy on the internet nowadays.

If, on the other hand, Cycling UK were to channel a good chunk of the funds contributed by it's many cycle-touring members into the ECF Bikes on Trains Campaign for at least 8 bikes on all European trains, that would really make a difference. CUK's failure to fund or even publicise this campaign is IMHO nothing short of a betrayal and a DERELICTION OF DUTY.

But of course, to publicise this campaign would be to expose the truth about bikes on trains in Europe, that it sucks, that it's nigh impossible - especially if there's more than two of you. And that would expose the lie that's been pedalled by all the letters and articles published in Cycle recently, that it's cheap and easy as pie to take your bike anywhere in Europe on the train, in a vote-rigging excercise running up to the last AGM.
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Re: Disagreement with AGM resolutions

Postby Philip Benstead » 22 Oct 2020, 2:48pm

Has anybody noticed the error in the motion below?

The motion asks for the Reduction of the promotion of holiday flights.

It does not mention who or how the notes are not part of the motion so can't be counted.

So if we take the motion at face value the CUK will have to campaign for the reduction in the promotion of any holiday flights in the entire world.

MOTION 6) Reduction of promotion of holiday flights.



Proposer’s note: The CTC (Cycling UK) Articles of Association state four Objectives of the Club. Three are related specially to cycling. The fourth states ‘promote
the conservation and protection of the environment’. The member survey indicated 71% support for ‘Encouraging cycle use to benefit the environment’. We would like to
propose that the Club adopts a progressive strategy to reduce, and ultimately stop, promotion of cycling holidays that involve flying. An organisation whose stated
objective is to protect the environment should not be promoting flying as it so massively increases a person’s annual carbon footprint and hence contributes to
climate change. The current promotion is in the form of: CTC branded holidays, which involve flying; articles in the magazine; and the adverts in the magazine selling holidays involving flying.
Proposer: Martin Crane
Seconder: Alison Hill
The Board accepts this motion.
Cycling UK wishes to be part of both this and wider discussions on the part that flying contributes to carbon footprints and climate change.
Cycling UK’s policy on climate change is downloadable from (and summarised at):
www.cyclinguk.org/campaigning/viewsand- ... ate-change.
This is an issue that has already begun to be discussed within the Holidays and Tours subsidiary
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Re: Disagreement with AGM resolutions

Postby PH » 22 Oct 2020, 2:51pm

Philip Benstead wrote:Has anybody noticed the error in the motion below?

The motion asks for the Reduction of the promotion of holiday flights.

It does not mention who or how the notes are not part of the motion so can't be counted.

So if we take the motion at face value the CUK will have to campaign for the reduction in the promotion of any holiday flights in the entire world.

MOTION 6) Reduction of promotion of holiday flights.

Can you see the word campaign in the motion?

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Re: Disagreement with AGM resolutions

Postby Philip Benstead » 22 Oct 2020, 2:54pm

PH wrote:
Philip Benstead wrote:Has anybody noticed the error in the motion below?

The motion asks for the Reduction of the promotion of holiday flights.

It does not mention who or how the notes are not part of the motion so can't be counted.

So if we take the motion at face value the CUK will have to campaign for the reduction in the promotion of any holiday flights in the entire world.

MOTION 6) Reduction of promotion of holiday flights.

Can you see the word campaign in the motion?


So if they are going to campaign what will they do because does not identify where who, when, or how
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Re: Disagreement with AGM resolutions

Postby PH » 22 Oct 2020, 3:06pm

Philip Benstead wrote:
PH wrote:
Philip Benstead wrote:Has anybody noticed the error in the motion below?

The motion asks for the Reduction of the promotion of holiday flights.

It does not mention who or how the notes are not part of the motion so can't be counted.

So if we take the motion at face value the CUK will have to campaign for the reduction in the promotion of any holiday flights in the entire world.

MOTION 6) Reduction of promotion of holiday flights.

Can you see the word campaign in the motion?


So if they are going to campaign what will they do because does not identify where who, when, or how

They're going to:
Reduce
the promotion
of
holiday flights

In the same way as I might reduce responding to your posts.
Which wouldn't involve me campaigning about anything.

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Re: Disagreement with AGM resolutions

Postby Philip Benstead » 22 Oct 2020, 3:21pm

PH wrote:
Philip Benstead wrote:
PH wrote:Can you see the word campaign in the motion?


So if they are going to campaign what will they do because does not identify where who, when, or how

They're going to:
Reduce
the promotion
of
holiday flights

In the same way as I might reduce responding to your posts.
Which wouldn't involve me campaigning about anything.


Let me say it another way, the MOTION not the notices does not say

what flights
whos flights
where the flights come from or go to.

The motion is poorly drafted and should have been picked up.

As it stands it either invalid or impossible to achieve..
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Re: Disagreement with AGM resolutions

Postby Cyril Haearn » 22 Oct 2020, 3:23pm

Reduce promotion of holiday flights, just less promotion than before, but still some promotion?
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Re: Disagreement with AGM resolutions

Postby Philip Benstead » 22 Oct 2020, 4:44pm

I like to suggest the motion could have been worded something like this

6) Promotion cycle holiday/events using air flights

MOTION
That CTC shall reduce, and eventually stop the promotion of holidays /events that involve the use of air flights.

PROPOSER’S NOTE:
We would like to propose that the Club adopts a progressive strategy to reduce, and ultimately stop, promotion of holidays/events that involve flying.

This includes CTC branded holidays and holidays/events by others including advertisement and article in the magazine.
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Re: Disagreement with AGM resolutions

Postby Philip Benstead » 22 Oct 2020, 4:59pm

CTC AGM 2021

I like to suggest with the passing of the motion to discourage air flights it seems we should go further

Promotion cycle holiday/events using the motor car powered by petrol /deiseal engine

MOTION

That CTC shall reduce, and eventually stop the promotion of holidays /events that involve the use of motor car powered by petrol /diesel engine

PROPOSER’S NOTE:
We would like to propose that the club adopts a progressive strategy to reduce, and ultimately stop, promotion of holidays/events that involve involving the use of motor car powered by petrol /diesel engine.

This includes CTC branded holidays and holidays/events by others in the UK or aboard including advertisement and article in the magazine.

A CTC members survey indicated 71% support for ‘encouraging cycle use to benefit the environment’. Given that one of CTC objectives states is to promote the conservation and protection of the environment, it seems rather hypocritical not to recognise the use of the petrol/diesel engine in cars contribute more pollution per person per kilometre and as the greater percentage (42%) than that of flying (14%) massively increases a person’s annual carbon footprint and hence contributes to climate change.

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