Don't draw CTC CEO from charitys?

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Don't draw CTC CEO from charitys?

Postby SA_SA_SA » 20 May 2015, 11:57am

Given that modern Charitys are in the news for being ruthless, perhaps the CTC CEO should not be sourced from the Charity Sector?
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Re: Don't draw CTC CEO from charitys?

Postby Psamathe » 20 May 2015, 12:26pm

SA_SA_SA wrote:Given that modern Charitys are in the news for being ruthless, perhaps the CTC CEO should not be sourced from the Charity Sector?

Some time ago, I was surprised when I saw his experience prior to becoming the CTC CEO. Gives a very clear indication as to the direction the CTC wants to take when they appoint a CEO with such (specific) experience.
http://www.ctc.org.uk/news/ctc-announces-paul-tuohy-ceo wrote:Previous to this appointment Paul was CEO of Mentor, a charity which works in schools on drug and alcohol prevention and has had a very successful career in the NGO sector raising money, advising governments and running programmes.

Paul has worked in the charity sector since 1984 and has led charities as a CEO since 2004, largely as a change management specialist focusing on building brands, fundraising and income generation.


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Re: Don't draw CTC CEO from charitys?

Postby gaz » 20 May 2015, 8:57pm

Whilst I'm not an expert on employment law, I feel it would be just a little bit silly to write the job advert for a charity sector CEO position with a footnote to the effect that "previous experience in the charity sector is undesireable for this position" :roll:

In any case, to my knowledge there is not a current vacancy for CEO at CTC :wink:
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Re: Don't draw CTC CEO from charitys?

Postby robgul » 21 May 2015, 8:42am

gaz wrote:Whilst I'm not an expert on employment law, I feel it would be just a little bit silly to write the job advert for a charity sector CEO position with a footnote to the effect that "previous experience in the charity sector is undesireable for this position" :roll:

In any case, to my knowledge there is not a current vacancy for CEO at CTC :wink:


Agreed - but the selection process should be on the look out, in my view, for people with real-world business experience if the organisation is to thrive.

Unfortunately the Third Sector does have a record of poor management (and frequent job moves at all levels) - possibly as a result of lower remuneration levels in the past ... that situation is changing to attract better people at market rates for the skills required in a competitive environment.

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Re: Don't draw CTC CEO from charitys?

Postby thirdcrank » 21 May 2015, 10:32am

SA_SA_SA wrote:Given that modern Charitys are in the news for being ruthless, ...


So long as I'm not chugged by somebody on behalf of the CTC I'm relaxed about this and anybody who voted for conversion and who didn't see it coming was just naïve.

FWIW, on subject of charities' fundraising, when the story which presumably inspired this thread was briefly the top news item, the BBC www had a headline referring to David Cameron being concerned about the lady's death. What the Thomas Cook is that all about? He's the Prime Minister of a cabinet government where individual ministers have their own responsibilities; it's hardly appropriate for the Prime Minister to lead the response to everything that's happening throughout the land.

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Re: Don't draw CTC CEO from charitys?

Postby SA_SA_SA » 21 May 2015, 11:54am

gaz wrote:Whilst I'm not an expert on employment law, I feel it would be just a little bit silly to write the job advert for a charity sector CEO position with a footnote to the effect that "previous experience in the charity sector is undesireable for this position" :roll:

I meant more they should first consider other sources and, if an ex-charity person was still to be considered, thoroughly check ex-charity applicants for signs/history of ruthlessness. I had presumed they couldn't put in the job advert!!
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Postby mjr » 21 May 2015, 12:43pm

robgul wrote:Unfortunately the Third Sector does have a record of poor management (and frequent job moves at all levels) - possibly as a result of lower remuneration levels in the past ... that situation is changing to attract better people at market rates for the skills required in a competitive environment.

That varies across the Third Sector. I've been in my current firm for over a decade and I know plenty of other co-operative workers who are the same. There are a lot of people who really believe in what we're doing working in this sector and the influx of highly-paid mercenaries at some of the larger organisations has not exactly been a completely good thing.

I'm not sure whether previous experience is desirable or not, but I'd check someone's motives and past actions as well as you can, then once they're hired, have some sort of effective democratic oversight of them... ;)
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Re: Don't draw CTC CEO from charitys?

Postby Psamathe » 21 May 2015, 2:38pm

SA_SA_SA wrote:
gaz wrote:Whilst I'm not an expert on employment law, I feel it would be just a little bit silly to write the job advert for a charity sector CEO position with a footnote to the effect that "previous experience in the charity sector is undesireable for this position" :roll:

I meant more they should first consider other sources and, if an ex-charity person was still to be considered, thoroughly check ex-charity applicants for signs/history of ruthlessness. I had presumed they couldn't put in the job advert!!

I agree. My own response and thoughts are that they could just have easily chosen somebody with experience of running a cycling organisation at a senior level. Who knows what applicants they got or what the job ad said, but it is going for somebody from the charity experience side rather than the cycling organisation experience side is what speaks volumes about where the CTC is going.

And it is interesting that they chose somebody who considers themselves a "change management specialist" so I can now see why the more recent "changes" (redundancies) were made. If you appoint somebody who considers themselves expert at "change management" then expect changes. What would be really interesting to know is who is directing the changes (specifying in what areas the CTC needs to change).

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Re: Don't draw CTC CEO from charitys?

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 21 May 2015, 3:20pm

Hi,
SA_SA_SA wrote:Given that modern Charitys are in the news for being ruthless, perhaps the CTC CEO should not be sourced from the Charity Sector?


Its all one big happy family.

When is a charity not a charity ?

When they pay wages.

Now the protectionists will say to get the right people you have to pay.............................Bankers.......................

CEO's all one big club...................................every few years they all change..........infinitum......looks good on their CV too........
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Re: Don't draw CTC CEO from charitys?

Postby gaz » 21 May 2015, 4:31pm

The 2011 job ad for CEO was cut and pasted onto the forum: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=58536&p=493520#p493520

We are seeking an exceptional candidate to be our new Chief Executive.
Apply to us if:

You have a track record as a visionary leader in the business, voluntary or government sectors; you have a successful track record of management and implementation in a complex environment with multiple stakeholders and you can be an ambassador and figurehead for CTC and cycling at all levels.


Gordon Seabright was the successful applicant. I do not know if that ad was repeated verbatim when he left, I do not know who the other candidates (if any) were when Paul Tuohy was recruited.

CTC has a great deal of experience at being a Cycling Club, it has little experience of being a Charity, that's a significant change. At the time of the recruitment CTC was undergoing a re-branding exercise (AFAICT it still is). Perhaps Council recruited a "change management specialist" to help us manage those changes?
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