Why do 'Breakways' breakaway?

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Re: Why do 'Breakways' breakaway?

Postby mjr » 4 Jul 2017, 3:44pm

Samuel D wrote:
ukdodger wrote:The numbers taking part are considerable yet it's always the same dozen or so that win.

Keep watching. The breaks don’t usually stay away, but they stay away often enough to make it worth a gamble.

I suspect there's fewer different stage winners in a Tour de France than a Giro or Vuelta, as more of the sprinters' teams bring their top squads (because the mountains aren't usually as harsh at eliminating sprinters and lead-out men as in the other races), which usually reduces a stage to probably one of the top 3 sprinters of a given year, and there's also pressure for a Yellow Jersey winner to win a stage else they get criticised. Despite that, the last two Tours had 14 and 17 different stage winners if I'm counting correctly.
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Re: Why do 'Breakways' breakaway?

Postby Paulatic » 4 Jul 2017, 3:49pm

if you just stand still you can never lose your way

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Re: Why do 'Breakways' breakaway?

Postby thirdcrank » 4 Jul 2017, 8:44pm

I don't think anybody has mentioned the Prix de la combativité (aggressive rider prize) which entitles the day's winner of this competition to wear the red race number the following day. In addition to the camera time during the stage, there's also a prominent place in the day's results. Van Kiersbulck's mugshot is here with those of all the jersey wearers:-

http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2017/us/st ... tions.html

Once upon a time, this competition was decided by a vote of the accredited journalists. Afaik, it's now simply calculated with the transponders to measure who was out in front longest. One rider away most of the day = no problem, but if there's a group, that system measures who does most of the work so there's a real incentive to be on the front, where most riders don't want to be. OTOH, it doesn't measure things like who organises anything in the way of a chase etc., when not actually in the lead on the road.

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Re: Why do 'Breakways' breakaway?

Postby ukdodger » 4 Jul 2017, 8:48pm

Paulatic wrote:Today's is a baroudeur apparently
https://mobile.twitter.com/LeTour/statu ... 3839017984


Interesting links. So someone has made it all the way. Would love to see it. Gutted when today's 'baroudeur' didnt.

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Re: Why do 'Breakways' breakaway?

Postby thirdcrank » 4 Jul 2017, 9:18pm

That link didn't mention the pioneering British rider, Brian Robinson who won TdeF stages in 1958 (beaten in the sprint by Padovan who was disqualified) and in 1959 when he won a stage by 20+ minutes. AFAIK, Padovan was second that day too, but with the much bigger margin. (I was going to link to Brian Robinson's wiki entry, but I'm pretty sure it's wrong: IIRC, his second stage win was after he had finished outside the time limit and been reinstated. Part of the reason he was allowed the 20 minute lead was that after losing all that time, he was no longer a threat on GC.)

In those pre-television days and with longer stages, parts of the race were ridden at much slower speeds, only speeding up towards the end. On a promenade stage, the main field sometimes didn't bother to speed up. Television has changed things and I fancy that now we have coverage from start to finish, there'll be ever more action from the start. I suspect that this will reinforce the need for shorter stages.

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Re: Why do 'Breakways' breakaway?

Postby hamster » 15 Sep 2017, 10:11am

Look up Jacky Durand - lots of breakaways, and occasionally they worked.

The best example is Oscar Pereiro. Allowed to get away by miles in the 2006 TdF - by which time it was too late. He ended up in yellow for a few days, and retrospectively was awarded the Tour outright as Floyd Landis was disqualified for doping.

Who says breakaways aren't worth it?

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Re: Why do 'Breakways' breakaway?

Postby Postboxer » 8 Oct 2017, 5:38pm

I've just finished 'Shut Up Legs!' by Jens Voigt, in it he mentions that breakaway in the 2006 tour, he won the stage. In it he mentions one of his mottoes, taught to him by his old team-mate, Chris Boardman, "If you try to win, you might lose, but if you don't try to win, you lose for sure!"