2017 Vuelta (spoilers post-highlights please)

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Re: 2017 Vuelta (spoilers post-highlights please)

Postby Paulatic » 3 Jan 2018, 7:28pm

The utility cyclist wrote:So you don't think that that particular day was/could have being nore extreme than all the others, have you actually read the circumstances for that day acknowledged by the rider and others that he was extremely dehydrated more than he'd been before on an extreme days riding were he was taking more of his inhaler but sticking to the max doses allowed?
Basically you're saying Chris Froome is a liar and a cheat, isn't that right? 'Doping' (except it's not) knowing full well he is the most tested and scrutinised athlete in the world.
We already know that high readings (above the limit) can be produced in extremis, but I would like to know how salbutamol is an enhancement over and above a non asthmatic because there's only one debunked reference to it doing so.

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Re: 2017 Vuelta (spoilers post-highlights please)

Postby pjclinch » 5 Jan 2018, 9:48am

My take (based on hunches and guesses, of course I don't have any better evidence than anyone else here) is it's Cock Up rather than Conspiracy. Given the test clearly showed up the presence of the substance, and in what over-the-limit quantity, it's hardly going to be the deliberate cheater's Weapon of Choice.

Having said that, it was over the limit and that's against the rules.

What I'd have liked to have seen is on discovery of the AAF, Sky put up their hands and say, "Our fault, we said to use this and we got it wrong" (a bit like Orica did with Simon Yates in 2016, see http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/simon-yates-handed-four-month-non-intentional-doping-ban/), hand back the Red Jersey and take whatever sanction they're given, taking full responsibility for the AAF.
But what we got was trying to sweep it under the carpet and hope it could be made to go away, and when it didn't go away a team that set itself up as a paragon of transparency and virtue gets to look like they're not living up to their own standards and that's Not Good.

What with this and Jiffygate and Wiggo's arguably OTT TUEs in 2012 it does increasingly come across that Sky are more interested in the letter of the law than the spirit. Having dismissed MPCC as irrelevant to their super-clean selves, Sky have apparently forgotten how they were setting up to make cycling a Better, Cleaner place, leading by example. I didn't like them on the grounds they were doing the football thing and spending their way to domination, but with this I like them less and will be cheering on Sunweb at the Giro again.

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Re: 2017 Vuelta (spoilers post-highlights please)

Postby reohn2 » 5 Jan 2018, 10:12am

Pete
Agreed.
There's simply too much of a nasty smell surrounding Sky now to ignore.
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