Velo South closed roads sportive - good idea?!?

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Re: Velo South closed roads sportive - good idea?!?

Postby TrevA » 27 Mar 2018, 1:20pm

We had this a few years ago with the Outlaw Triathlon closing many roads on the east side of Nottingham. It caused a lot of ill feeling by motorists towards cyclists. The Outlaw still happens but is now on open roads, with a few sets of traffic lights turned off and some junctions closed. This causes some minor inconvenience to people and you do get bunches of riders holding up traffic a little, but on the whole it is well received by the local community. Many local villagers will come out and cheer the riders on. Motorists don't mind being held up for a few seconds, but will object strongly to being prevented from using a road.

I think these types of closed road sportives are not viable in this country, unless it's in a very sparsely populated area. The problem is that roses are closed for hours on end. I used to attend the aisle of Man Cycling Week, where there were similar day long road closures which also caused a lot of ill feeling and led to the demise of the week in the end.

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Re: Velo South closed roads sportive - good idea?!?

Postby mjr » 27 Mar 2018, 5:34pm

Si wrote:Ateotd, the ultimate goal for velo is to make as much money as possible for the organisers. The ultimate aim for the city-ride type event is to get as many people on bikes as possible. Both are lots of fun for the riders, but i know which id rather support.

Can we do anything to stop the likes of velo and Ian Thatcher both coming out with a load of bull [inappropriate word removed] and ordinary cycling getting caught in the crossfire?
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Re: Velo South closed roads sportive - good idea?!?

Postby mjr » 27 Mar 2018, 5:40pm

squeaker wrote:I'm still not comfortable with the concept, especially give the rural nature of the route, on the basis of excluding all but an 'elite' group from the roads concerned - unlike car free days etc.. (I would include closed roads car rallies, and any public space exclusion in this discomfort.)

In events like Velo, couldn't they leave part of the carriageway available for transport cycling?

I've no concerns about the rural nature of the route. People seem unaware just how often rural main roads are closed for works because it's usually 8pm-6am or weekends when fewer people travel. I notice it more because I live on a rural main road that is often used as an alternative route when neighbouring roads are closed (when it's not itself closed!).

So I don't see closing one weekend for a sports event as anything like as disruptive as closing at evenings/weekends for months at a run - and that's already so undisruptive that many people don't notice unless they try to use the closed section (and often have to drive up to 20 miles diversion or try to remember which fen or forest minor roads are safe for cars and which are iffy single-track with grass up the middle...)
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Re: Velo South closed roads sportive - good idea?!?

Postby brynpoeth » 27 Mar 2018, 5:50pm

TrevA wrote:We had this a few years ago with the Outlaw Triathlon closing many roads on the east side of Nottingham. It caused a lot of ill feeling by motorists towards cyclists. The Outlaw still happens but is now on open roads, with a few sets of traffic lights turned off and some junctions closed. This causes some minor inconvenience to people and you do get bunches of riders holding up traffic a little, but on the whole it is well received by the local community. Many local villagers will come out and cheer the riders on. Motorists don't mind being held up for a few seconds, but will object strongly to being prevented from using a road.

I think these types of closed road sportives are not viable in this country, unless it's in a very sparsely populated area. The problem is that roses are closed for hours on end. I used to attend the aisle of Man Cycling Week, where there were similar day long road closures which also caused a lot of ill feeling and led to the demise of the week in the end.

aisle of Man, is that a church? +1
Are the motorcycle events still held there?
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Re: Velo South closed roads sportive - good idea?!?

Postby TrevA » 28 Mar 2018, 2:59pm

brynpoeth wrote:aisle of Man, is that a church? +1
Are the motorcycle events still held there?


Ah, the damned predictive text! Yes, motorbike races are still held there. The IOM has special laws which enable roads to be closed easily. These are used for the TT races and were also used to closed the roads for Cycling week. The IOM has some youth and junior cycle races on closed roads, but these are on smaller circuits which don't cause as much disruption. Some of the the Cycling Week races were held on the TT course which closes the main roads on the island and causes quite a bit of disruption.