2018 Tour De France (Spoilers)

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mjr wrote:
cycleruk wrote:Every one I speak to knows about Craddock. Excellent advert for EF Energy :oops: than any one else. Has his team leader, Uran, gone out today?

Uran's out, but EF is Education First, who are language schools and travel organisers. http://www.ef.edu

I should know better as a friend of mine is one of their riders. Senior moment. :?
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According to the official TdeF website, only two riders were eliminated for finishing outside the time limit: GRUZDEV Dmitriy and TAARAMÄE Rein. The others abandoned. Same result of course but there's some credit in riding on.
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More ominously, it sounds as though Nibali didn't come out of his crash very well and he's gone to hospital in Grenoble with a suspected fractured vertebra. Let's hope it's not as bad as it sounds.
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thirdcrank wrote:More ominously, it sounds as though Nibali didn't come out of his crash very well and he's gone to hospital in Grenoble with a suspected fractured vertebra. Let's hope it's not as bad as it sounds.

I've seen it on two sites now that he's out but I guess we won't know for sure until tomorrow's sign-on.
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Highlights show tonight suggested Nibali has pulled out with a fractured vertebra after hospital visit.

Two cracking stage wins for GT but still a fair way to go yet.
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Spinners wrote:a G win would be marvellous and perhaps best for Sky in that there'll be none of the baggage that would accompany another Froome win.

After skimming through today's comments in L'Equipe, that sadly seems a forlorn hope, at least as far as French reaction is concerned.
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Nibali is out. So sad to go out that was from a stupid spectator's camera strap.
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ChrisButch wrote:
Spinners wrote:a G win would be marvellous and perhaps best for Sky in that there'll be none of the baggage that would accompany another Froome win.

After skimming through today's comments in L'Equipe, that sadly seems a forlorn hope, at least as far as French reaction is concerned.


Sky could win with a French rider and still be damned in their press. Thomas winning would be great from a British PR perspective though.
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Amazing that Nibali was only 13 seconds down today, looking at the incident, he was being hauled up by spectators around 8 seconds after his fall and didn't really look like he was about to jump back on. Could France introduce specific laws about protecting the competitors in a cycle race? The Nibali fall seems to have been caused at least in part by spectators, Froome was hit by a spectator, the Sky riders at the front had an unknown liquid thrown at them at one point. Andy Schleck's career was ended due to injuries sustained after being brought down by a spectator in 2014, although this was in the UK, during the third stage of the Tour de France, so maybe the UK needs laws too.
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Also, Thomas is now up to 12th in the points classification, where Sagan now has a massive lead as his rivals didn't battle on today like Mark Cavendish did yesterday, although what happened to Cavendish, Renshaw and Kittel yesterday may have given the riders today the impression that there's no point in them battling on. Maybe the organisers should look at this, or have more sprint stages later in the race, so the Green Jersey can only be won by riders who can climb well enough to finish the race. Perhaps the cut off could relate to the General Classification time rather than the stage time, to allow for the really tough stages.
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The organisers of the TdeF have quite a bit of experience in this sort of thing and they still tinker with the rules to try to improve things. The underlying reason for the time limits is that if you didn't have them, riders with no interest in the GC could take things easy on some stages, conserving energy for later. There has to be something to make everybody race every day.

GC riders don't need this incentive because their overriding aim is to avoid losing time.

I only remember one big injustice, although there must have been others. I'm not going to resort to the internet to remember the exact date, but it was in the Armstrong era when Eric Zabel regularly won the points competition (something like six times.) FWIW, he was a pioneer of the sprint train. Anyway, during one stage, Stuart O'Grady was in a long-distance breakaway and as he was no threat to Armstrong, there was no chase. A lot of riders - almost everybody - finished outside the limit, but an exception had to be made to the rule or the handful of riders in the breakaway would have been the only ones left in the race. However, O'Grady, who was a serious contender in the points competition, was tired from his breakaway efforts and he lost out in that competition.
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From viewers' questions over the years, I get the impression that some people think that riders who are not specialist climbers are somehow too weak to get over the mountains. I remember somebody suggesting triple chainsets with a granny gear. These are very strong riders, but their build means they cannot climb so quickly as the lighter riders. It's a stage race and the trick is to get a balanced route to give different types of rider something to aim at.
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Another thing to remember is that the sprinters can climb the 5% average and so on typically seen on the Tour - Cavendish did finish the stage, remember - but not at the 15-20mph that the climbers are typically racing up them.

Racing up a climb is a whole different world of pain to riding up. Go find your local racing club's hill climb course, time yourself up it, compare that to last year's results sheet, then remember you're doing it on a nice day of your choosing when you feel OK while they raced it probably on an iffy weathered fixed day in autumn. The difference may give you a new appreciation for how hard the racers are riding.
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Hi,
Two days in yellow and two days following Dumoulins lead when it matters.
Dumoulin should let G lead up next climb?
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From the official TdeF website
At km 27.8, just before Vizille, Sylvain Chavanel will reach the total of 60,000 kilometres of racing at the Tour de France since he first took part in 2001. It’s his 361st stage. He’s getting close to the record held by Joop Zoetemelk (365) but the Dutchman covered a total of 62,855km from 1970 and 1986, at a time of longer races. Chavanel would need to come back next year to take all the records after he became the first man to participate to 18 Tours de France but he said this is his last one.

https://racecenter.letour.fr/#/stageprofile

Duffers would have said "Chapeau" but this must be more to do with chamois or modern alternatives.
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thirdcrank wrote:From the official TdeF website
At km 27.8, just before Vizille, Sylvain Chavanel will reach the total of 60,000 kilometres of racing at the Tour de France since he first took part in 2001. It’s his 361st stage. He’s getting close to the record held by Joop Zoetemelk (365) but the Dutchman covered a total of 62,855km from 1970 and 1986, at a time of longer races. Chavanel would need to come back next year to take all the records after he became the first man to participate to 18 Tours de France but he said this is his last one.

https://racecenter.letour.fr/#/stageprofile

Duffers would have said "Chapeau" but this must be more to do with chamois or modern alternatives.

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NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
Two days in yellow and two days following Dumoulins lead when it matters.
Dumoulin should let G lead up next climb?

TD seems snookered. If he lets G lead, then G backs off (he probably doesn't need much more time over TD and Froome before the time trial), Froome or someone else attacks and either TD waits, G does just enough to limit his losses, TD loses second place and possibly the Tour - or TD chases and G just sits on his wheel and mugs him near the finish (probably very near because they're quite similar riders, one from time trials and the other from track pursuiting, neither natural climbers).

TD's best bet is probably to keep grinding away to bring back the final attacks from the climbers after the Sky train has gone, maybe nick a few more bonus seconds off Froome and hope for a final time trial win in the rainbow jersey that breaks British hearts, unless something goes seriously wrong for the Sky riders. That's a hell of a gamble and will take a hell of a lot of patience.

Froome on the other hand either has to attack G or at least convince him to mark Bardet for a change while Froome marks TD and then mugs him near the finish line.
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