Transgender woman wins cycling championship

Now we have something / quite-a-lot to discuss and celebrate.
fullupandslowingdown
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Re: Transgender woman wins cycling championship

Postby fullupandslowingdown » 14 Feb 2020, 4:12pm

Tangled Metal wrote:....
I use that trick too. It often catches people out if they're not too critical or observant.

Still no power to weight figures or peak power or FTP figures? No comparison between mtf and cisgender females?


Sorry, I'm just reporting on what I've found, I'm not set up to perform laboratory performance testing :idea:

I feel that wanting a graph that is only showing statistical data anyway, and not correlative relationships between two variables, to start at zero for weight is pointless. Real world adults who are athletically competitive generally fall within a certain range, and the graph shows that range for TdF winners, to be roughly 60Kg to 80Kg. The point of the graph was to show that winners haven't been of one particular weight, but rather within a range of weights, weights which would not by themselves, exclude women from appearing in the dataset. The graph (ic) suggests that being heavier is not an automatic advantage.

I wonder if people will next complain that we should also scrap the decibel as a measure of sound level because that is not linear scale? I don't know about you, but at school in mathematics, I was taught to select the scales on a graph axis according to the results that I wished to be shown. It is entirely legitimate as long as the scales are labelled clearly (tick or you wouldn't have noticed to comment about...) and appropriate, which I assert they are. Extending the scale down to zero would have as much value as extending it up to 200Kg. No one in the last 75 years under the weight of 50Kg has won the Tour de France, no one over the weight of 100Kg has won it.

It almost feels that if someone could successfully attack (my) science, then that would somehow support their stance on the outline post, and damage whatever they think is mine.... I guess I should accept that if as yet, the international athletic experts can't decide for once and for all on such an scientifically complex and emotive topic, then a bunch of ignorant self righteous navel gazing twits on a cycling forum are hardly likely to have a superior resolution. Thank god for the freedom of speech :lol:

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Re: Transgender woman wins cycling championship

Postby landsurfer » 14 Feb 2020, 5:08pm

fullupandslowingdown wrote:
Tangled Metal wrote:....
I use that trick too. It often catches people out if they're not too critical or observant.

Still no power to weight figures or peak power or FTP figures? No comparison between mtf and cisgender females?



There is a group on here that often demand "Evidence" for any comment that is made that they disagree with .... the cries of evidence grow louder and louder in proportion to the amount of disagreement felt ... But they will never offer "Evidence" to substantiate their ownpoint of view ... alledgley ....
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alexnharvey
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Re: Transgender woman wins cycling championship

Postby alexnharvey » 14 Feb 2020, 5:15pm

Yeah, [rude word removed] scientists.