Yes, but the OP said he'd been "dropped by Ineos and is out of the tour". He hasn't been dropped by Ineos, just the Tour squad. Fairly academic as he leaves next year anyway.
If someone doesn't understand the meaning of being "dropped" from a sports team (which means being left out of the starting line-up), as contrasted with being "sacked" or "fired" (which means being unemployed), then there's little anyone can do to help.
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iandriver wrote:Ineos/ Skys success was alwaysd the strength of their super domestiques. We haven't seen their hand, meaning the team without Thomas and Froome in. I suspect they'll be a stronger outfit without them and a clear line of their best domestiques in.
From the racing I've watched INEOS are second best by a margin.
I know what you mean, but I don't think we've seen anything like the ineos best effort, more of a fact finding mission. The magic question is have the others played their full hand. Were ineos training right up to race day with little or no taper. Way too many unknowns.
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No surprises really. Froome and Thomas are not on form.Brailsford wants to win and doesn’t go for sentiment. If Bernal starts the Tour fit he and Ineos will walk it again.Pulling out of the Dauphine is just part of the plan. I’d like to see a Frenchman win it but it won’t happen again this year.Ineos haven’t shown their full hand yet.JV have.
iandriver wrote:Ineos/ Skys success was alwaysd the strength of their super domestiques. We haven't seen their hand, meaning the team without Thomas and Froome in. I suspect they'll be a stronger outfit without them and a clear line of their best domestiques in.
From the racing I've watched INEOS are second best by a margin.
I know what you mean, but I don't think we've seen anything like the ineos best effort, more of a fact finding mission. The magic question is have the others played their full hand. Were ineos training right up to race day with little or no taper. Way too many unknowns.
We'll see,though Jumbo Visma have stamped their authority on power
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reohn2 wrote:From the racing I've watched INEOS are second best by a margin.
I know what you mean, but I don't think we've seen anything like the ineos best effort, more of a fact finding mission. The magic question is have the others played their full hand. Were ineos training right up to race day with little or no taper. Way too many unknowns.
We'll see,though Jumbo Visma have stamped their authority on power
Certainly agree we have the most exciting prospect for actual competition we've have in years. I was in Paris for Thomases win. I went knowing the wave of success couldn't last for ever. No chance of a Brit winning this year.
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reohn2 wrote:From the racing I've watched INEOS are second best by a margin.
I know what you mean, but I don't think we've seen anything like the ineos best effort, more of a fact finding mission. The magic question is have the others played their full hand. Were ineos training right up to race day with little or no taper. Way too many unknowns.
We'll see,though Jumbo Visma have stamped their authority on power
News that Kruijswijk is out evens things out a bit
iandriver wrote:I know what you mean, but I don't think we've seen anything like the ineos best effort, more of a fact finding mission. The magic question is have the others played their full hand. Were ineos training right up to race day with little or no taper. Way too many unknowns.
We'll see,though Jumbo Visma have stamped their authority on power
News that Kruijswijk is out evens things out a bit
They'd have been better with him but they've some serious talent that team.
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Yes, but the OP said he'd been "dropped by Ineos and is out of the tour". He hasn't been dropped by Ineos, just the Tour squad. Fairly academic as he leaves next year anyway.
If someone doesn't understand the meaning of being "dropped" from a sports team (which means being left out of the starting line-up), as contrasted with being "sacked" or "fired" (which means being unemployed), then there's little anyone can do to help.
I'm with Toontra on this, beyond help, apparently.
Actually, have you heard, the whole of Team Ineos are about to be dropped? Half of them because they won't be riding the Giro, and the other half because they won't be riding the Vuelta.
rfryer wrote:Actually, have you heard, the whole of Team Ineos are about to be dropped? Half of them because they won't be riding the Giro, and the other half because they won't be riding the Vuelta.
The difference there being that the Giro squad were never in the Veulta squad and vice-versa. Again with the football analogies, it's not that unusual for a big-budget team to have different squads for different competitions, although there is usually more overlap than for cycling because teams don't normally have to play two games simultaneously.
Froome was almost certainly in the intended Tour de France squad, having raced with most of them at Occitanie, Ain and Dauphiné, and still asserting his fitness in interviews last week so can definitely be said to have been dropped IMO.
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thirdcrank wrote:.......... Who will be team leader?
For the TdeF it has to be Bernal with Sivikov second favourite IMO.
Agreed with that. They are also taking the current Giro d'Italia champion Richard Carapaz, so aren't exactly struggling for talent compared to some.
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What I meant was that having won last year, Bernal at the very least going to be less inclined to revert to a support role. Froome has by far the best palmarès especially in major tours, yet G has a more recent TdeF win. Time marches on and Brailsford has avoided the obvious risks of rivalry within his team.
Cavendish out as well. Adam Yates is targeting stage wins, not GC, so might be the only hope of a British stage winner. Giro d'Italia might be better with Geraint Thomas and Simon Yates going for GC. We'll have Froome in the Vuelta, not sure who else will be targeting it, then next year we'll see how recovered Froome is on a different team so should hopefully get to race. The rumour is Adam Yates is also joining Ineos next season.
