Paris Roubaix
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I know it was the first GBR victory at Paris Roubaix, but really, an international sports event putting the winning flag upside down?
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That plus I've had Radio 5 Live on all evening and every half hour the news headlines have called her Lizzie Dignan. Every time.
Edit: They've finally got an announcer who knows how to pronounce her name - yippee.
Still, Rob Hatch on Eurosport goes out of his way and makes the effort to use the correct pronunciations of all the riders' names but he often gets slagged for it so you can't win.
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Didn't Gerraint Thomas, Tom Pidcock, Andy Fen and Lewis Askey win the junior Paris Roubaix in the past. So maybe not the first GB victory.
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Lizzie is known for not wearing gloves, in a way it makes it easier to spot her in the peleton.
There is a 5 minute highlights video from Velon on YouTube
And onboard footage
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For a moment there I thought the lead rider had a large handlebar bag.
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I do wonder if organising a women's version of Paris - Roubaix is the best way to promote élite women's road racing. The men's race is a survival-of-the-fittest event for a certain type of big, heavy, one day specialist with loads of experience of pavé. And there are enough men who believe they have those qualities to attract a large entry. Reducing the distance for the women doesn't reduce the size of the cobbles or the depth of the mud on a wet day like yesterday. This isn't intended to denigrate female riders but to say that the extreme conditions of this race - and on a dry day it's cobbles + clouds of dust - affect smaller, lighter riders disproportionately. I don't know how many riders started yesterday, but the field didn't look big, so I suspect the number of riders injured in nasty falls was disproportionately high.
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Fabulous race. Well worth watching. Won't spoil it for others who want to see it on catch-up.
Noticed that Ineos were using disc brakes for this race.
Noticed that Ineos were using disc brakes for this race.
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I've just watched today's men's edition of the race and can honestly say it was by far the best edition of any one day race of any sporting event on earth!
Gruesome,beautiful and incredible in equal measure with an incredible finale,quite simply a fantastic and monumental event!
Gruesome,beautiful and incredible in equal measure with an incredible finale,quite simply a fantastic and monumental event!
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Sorry Ladies but back to your domestic duties and let the men folk do the serious stuff. Stop trying to develop and grow your sport. thirdcrank thinks you're delicate little flowers and might get hurt. Yes, he is. I agree, total one.thirdcrank wrote: ↑3 Oct 2021, 11:17am I do wonder if organising a women's version of Paris - Roubaix is the best way to promote élite women's road racing. The men's race is a survival-of-the-fittest event for a certain type of big, heavy, one day specialist with loads of experience of pavé. And there are enough men who believe they have those qualities to attract a large entry. Reducing the distance for the women doesn't reduce the size of the cobbles or the depth of the mud on a wet day like yesterday. This isn't intended to denigrate female riders but to say that the extreme conditions of this race - and on a dry day it's cobbles + clouds of dust - affect smaller, lighter riders disproportionately. I don't know how many riders started yesterday, but the field didn't look big, so I suspect the number of riders injured in nasty falls was disproportionately high.
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That's not what I meant at all. There's currently a clip of an interview with LD on the BBC www fronted with this:-
That sounds to me like being expected to perform in some of the most dangerous conditions with almost no preparation.
I've no doubt women can do this as this race demonstrated but I doubt it's the best way to promote women's élite racing as in, encouraging more to participate.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/cycling/58767669Britain's Lizzie Deignan says she was "pleasantly surprised" after testing out the legendary narrow cobbles of Paris-Roubaix.
But added that they were "more draining" than she expected.
That sounds to me like being expected to perform in some of the most dangerous conditions with almost no preparation.
I've no doubt women can do this as this race demonstrated but I doubt it's the best way to promote women's élite racing as in, encouraging more to participate.
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I don't think that the arguments you make stand up to scrutiny.thirdcrank wrote: ↑3 Oct 2021, 11:17am I do wonder if organising a women's version of Paris - Roubaix is the best way to promote élite women's road racing. The men's race is a survival-of-the-fittest event for a certain type of big, heavy, one day specialist with loads of experience of pavé. And there are enough men who believe they have those qualities to attract a large entry. Reducing the distance for the women doesn't reduce the size of the cobbles or the depth of the mud on a wet day like yesterday. This isn't intended to denigrate female riders but to say that the extreme conditions of this race - and on a dry day it's cobbles + clouds of dust - affect smaller, lighter riders disproportionately. I don't know how many riders started yesterday, but the field didn't look big, so I suspect the number of riders injured in nasty falls was disproportionately high.
1. "And there are enough men who believe they have those qualities to attract a large entry." - the size of the field is determined largely by the fact that it is a World Pro Tour event which the top teams are required to enter, with I think a few wild card entries at the discretion of the event organiser for teams in the category below World Pro Tour. Probably a lot of the riders are there simply to make up the numbers, and it used to be the case that some Spanish teams were only there because they had to enter as a condition of being a World Tour team (and prior to that World Cup or whatever it was).
2. " The men's race is a survival-of-the-fittest event for a certain type of big, heavy, one day specialist with loads of experience of pavé. " - I see no reason why the women's race cannot develop into the same. Experience is only acquired by doing.
3. " This isn't intended to denigrate female riders but to say that the extreme conditions of this race - and on a dry day it's cobbles + clouds of dust - affect smaller, lighter riders disproportionately" - You seem to be judging women's suitability to compete and win this race based on a comparison with the men who win it. The women are not competing against men. They are competing against each other. Women are not all the same. Some of them will be better suited to the race than others, and they will probably include riders who otherwise might have little opportunity to excel because they were not suited to events with a lot of climbing/mountains or shorter distances. Increasing the range of events that women can compete in is a good thing.
I think you are over-stating the risk. I suspect many of the men who compete in Paris Roubaix have similar levels of preparation, especially if it is a race which is not a team priority/the team is not focused on the one day classics. The women are probably all having to learn the skills and techniques for this type of race from scratch, whereas the neo pros in the men's teams will be able to watch and learn from the older members of the team. But ultimately I suspect it's a race where it is largely a case of learning by doing.thirdcrank wrote: ↑3 Oct 2021, 7:08pm That sounds to me like being expected to perform in some of the most dangerous conditions with almost no preparation.
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" That sounds to me like being expected to perform in some of the most dangerous conditions with almost no preparation."
Where is the problem with this? It is the same for all of them so no one is at a disadvantage, something that is apparently "unfair" in this silly day and age.
Ultimately it is a shame that the female race was a shorter version. Brilliant though.
Where is the problem with this? It is the same for all of them so no one is at a disadvantage, something that is apparently "unfair" in this silly day and age.
Ultimately it is a shame that the female race was a shorter version. Brilliant though.
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Hi,
Did quest TV air the women's race?
Unfortunately I know who the winners are because it's very difficult not to find out unless you're watching it live.
Looks a bit more like a cyclo-cross, as I'm watching the men's race.
Did quest TV air the women's race?
Unfortunately I know who the winners are because it's very difficult not to find out unless you're watching it live.
Looks a bit more like a cyclo-cross, as I'm watching the men's race.
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Think Discovery put the race out on their Eurosport and GCN app platforms in regions they had the rights.NATURAL ANKLING wrote: ↑4 Oct 2021, 10:26am Hi,
Did quest TV air the women's race?
Unfortunately I know who the winners are because it's very difficult not to find out unless you're watching it live.
Looks a bit more like a cyclo-cross, as I'm watching the men's race.
There are no pan-European rights for this one, so RTBF, TV3 NOS, RTVE et. al. had the country specific rights.
Quest is mainly used where there's a legal requirement for terrestrial broadcast associated with the rights.
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