Is it all down to Brailsford?

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Re: Is it all down to Brailsford?

Postby Adam S » 26 Jul 2013, 1:49am

Mike Sales wrote:
Adam S wrote:Wogan qualified for British citizenship as he was born before the creation of the Republic of Ireland. He claimed this a few years ago so he has dual citizenship. As a bit of trivia, a similar clause allows (by a matter of a few months) Irishman Eddie Jordan to be a member of the British Racing Drivers' Club


The Irish Free State began in 1922. Is Wogan really 91? Or Eddie Jordan? Have I overlooked something?

You're correct but there's a difference between the Irish Free State and the Republic of Ireland. Though independent, the Irish Free state (later simply 'Ireland') remained part of the British Commonwealth of Nations (as it was called) and retained the British Monarch as King of Ireland. In 1949, Ireland became a republic, severing ties with the UK and the British Crown.

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Re: Is it all down to Brailsford?

Postby Mark1978 » 26 Jul 2013, 9:56am

Wogan was born in 1938. However as I understand it the Republic of Ireland did not become fully independent from the United Kingdom until 1949.

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Re: Is it all down to Brailsford?

Postby Mike Sales » 26 Jul 2013, 10:04am

Adam S wrote:You're correct but there's a difference between the Irish Free State and the Republic of Ireland. Though independent, the Irish Free state (later simply 'Ireland') remained part of the British Commonwealth of Nations (as it was called) and retained the British Monarch as King of Ireland. In 1949, Ireland became a republic, severing ties with the UK and the British Crown.


I see. Thanks.

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Re: Is it all down to Brailsford?

Postby Penfold » 28 Jul 2013, 10:28am

So lots of interesting comments about Wogan and all the knighthood issues, but what about UK cycling?

Is the rise all down to Brailsford or is there a.n. other(s) who should be held high as the person(s) who has helped steer the good ship ' UK cycle sport' off the rocks and into clear blue water.

I only ask as I know nothing of the other backroom staff/team/directors that have lead this quite astounding turn around. Can it all be due to one mans leadership?
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Re: Is it all down to Brailsford?

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 28 Jul 2013, 11:44am

Hi,
Hard to say, a documentry on the team would be interesting but I feel that the team would be cautious at giving some pointer as to their sucess.
The money probably helps to buy the best coaches or palm another teams staff :?:
Brailsford might be very good at what he does, however he does it......................
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Re: Is it all down to Brailsford?

Postby Big T » 29 Jul 2013, 12:36pm

Penfold wrote:So lots of interesting comments about Wogan and all the knighthood issues, but what about UK cycling?

Is the rise all down to Brailsford or is there a.n. other(s) who should be held high as the person(s) who has helped steer the good ship ' UK cycle sport' off the rocks and into clear blue water.

I only ask as I know nothing of the other backroom staff/team/directors that have lead this quite astounding turn around. Can it all be due to one mans leadership?


The guy who started it all off was Peter Keen. He was Chris Boardman's coach and then went on to set up the World Class performance Plan (WCPP). Applying for and getting lottery funding. This started to pay off at the Sydney Olympics where we started to win medals in cycling, and grew and grew through Athens to Beijing and London. Peter Keen left British Cycling in the mid-noughties and Brailsford took over the mantle.

Brailsford has a small team that includes Shane Sutton and did include Chris Boardman. They go out and find the best coaches and can afford to employ them. BC CEO Ian Drake actually does a lot of the background work that enables Brailsford to concentrate on his main roles as Head of Performace at BC and Head of Team Sky.
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Re: Is it all down to Brailsford?

Postby michael42 » 8 Aug 2013, 6:42pm

Mark1978 wrote:Froome will get knighted. If he doesn't it would look very odd. Unless he has nationality issues that would prevent it?


Perhaps, but he hasn't really done as much compared with Wiggins.

Wiggins not only was the first Brit to win the TdF, he'd got a heap of gold medals from track and then got a couple more during Olympics hosted in Britain.
He's up there with Hoy and Redgrave in terms of Olympic success.

Not every person that wins a bike race (or gets a single olympic gold) gets a knighthood. Boardman got an MBE in 1992.

I suppose he may well get one if his success continues (or if he chooses to do charity work - as many famous people that get them for acting or whatever, a few get them because they devote time after becoming famous on charity work)

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Re: Is it all down to Brailsford?

Postby Brian1946 » 9 Aug 2013, 8:34pm

It was just Dave Brailsford's time!

The previous upheavals and hierarchical changes to the BCF and it's transformation to British Cycling came along at and opportune time, Lottery funding and building of the Manchester Velodrome provided a sound financial and structural base.

The appointment of Dave Brailsford with his MBA and cycle sport background provided BC with a someone able to understand and apply sound business planning to the application of significant funding. That 'hard nosed' approach backed only those able to hit the 'numbers' required to demonstrate their ability to compete at the top level.

Is it all down to Dave Brailsford? A large proportion is, he's had to identify the talent to make it happen; but, 'all'... no! There are those behind the scenes that have made the right decisions too...
Those appointed to the Board of British Cycling.
Those who developed the successful bid for Lottery funding.
Those who made the decision to appoint Dave Brailsford.
Those who's business and financial management and planning provided the stage for Dave Brailsford to perform.
And of course access to a clutch of young riders with the necessary talent able to be nurtured.

Serendipity has a place in all of this.

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Re: Is it all down to Brailsford?

Postby Cunobelin » 10 Aug 2013, 3:14pm

Brian1946 wrote:It was just Dave Brailsford's time!

The previous upheavals and hierarchical changes to the BCF and it's transformation to British Cycling came along at and opportune time, Lottery funding and building of the Manchester Velodrome provided a sound financial and structural base.

The appointment of Dave Brailsford with his MBA and cycle sport background provided BC with a someone able to understand and apply sound business planning to the application of significant funding. That 'hard nosed' approach backed only those able to hit the 'numbers' required to demonstrate their ability to compete at the top level.

Is it all down to Dave Brailsford? A large proportion is, he's had to identify the talent to make it happen; but, 'all'... no! There are those behind the scenes that have made the right decisions too...
Those appointed to the Board of British Cycling.
Those who developed the successful bid for Lottery funding.
Those who made the decision to appoint Dave Brailsford.
Those who's business and financial management and planning provided the stage for Dave Brailsford to perform.
And of course access to a clutch of young riders with the necessary talent able to be nurtured.

Serendipity has a place in all of this.


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Re: Is it all down to Brailsford?

Postby pete75 » 1 Sep 2013, 8:54pm

Let's not forget Rupert Murdoch's money paying for the whole thing. Am very suspicious of that man and those he buys. Brailsford and his riders have shown little conscience about taking the Murdoch shilling and one wonders what else they'll do to win.

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Re: Is it all down to Brailsford?

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 1 Sep 2013, 9:23pm

Hi,
Even charity riders need the sponsors too, or so it seems.
I am not condoning where the money comes from, in life there's no such thing as a free lunch or self made, you still need someone to open the doors. I.M.O.
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Re: Is it all down to Brailsford?

Postby KeithM » 12 Sep 2013, 6:59am

Some eyecatching comments from Sean Yates in this article, including that Wiggo nearly went home from last year's Tour after Froome's "attack" and had to be persuaded to continue by Yates and Brailsford, also that "there is no one at Sky who knows much about bike riding".

http://road.cc/content/news/93418-sean- ... ris-froome