The new logo?

Discussion of the re-branding of CTC as Cycling UK.
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Re: The new logo?

Postby TonyR » 19 Feb 2016, 8:20am

Philip Benstead wrote:See the attached logo i use for work I design in ten minutes using paint


Can I suggest you don't give up the day job to become a branding consultant :roll:

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Re: The new logo?

Postby vorsprung » 19 Feb 2016, 11:26am

Another issue is this. The money and power and influence of the CTC is based on it's members. So they are all going to have to rebrand too. It isn't just a dictat that can be sent from the top

For example, the CTC group I go to the pub with on a Wednesday night ( see http://www.lkjh.biz/index.php?title=ExeterWednesday ) have their own line of cycling jerseys

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It will be a year or two before we redo the jersey. And I will keep wearing my old one.

These little groups over the entire country will have branding stuff to realign.

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Re: The new logo?

Postby PH » 19 Feb 2016, 11:33am

vorsprung wrote:Another issue is this. The money and power and influence of the CTC is based on it's members. So they are all going to have to rebrand too. It isn't just a dictat that can be sent from the top


It will be a year or two before we redo the jersey. And I will keep wearing my old one.

These little groups over the entire country will have branding stuff to realign.


It's moving fast, but I think you've missed this statement saying member groups won't have to re-brand.
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Re: The new logo?

Postby robgul » 19 Feb 2016, 11:41am

vorsprung wrote:Another issue is this. The money and power and influence of the CTC is based on it's members. So they are all going to have to rebrand too. It isn't just a dictat that can be sent from the top

For example, the CTC group I go to the pub with on a Wednesday night ( see http://www.lkjh.biz/index.php?title=ExeterWednesday ) have their own line of cycling jerseys


It will be a year or two before we redo the jersey. And I will keep wearing my old one.

These little groups over the entire country will have branding stuff to realign.


CTC Heart of England (dissolved in September 2015) had club jerseys with the logo .... we're now Heart of England Cycling Club so the rebrand was solved by issuing every member with a big fat felt pen to scrub out the CTC logo on the jersey :lol: :lol:

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Re: The new logo?

Postby honesty » 19 Feb 2016, 12:07pm

Surely the initals CTC really lend themselves to a bike/cyclist graphic really well a bit like the TDF logo... lowercase the letters, stick them together in a bike shape. Voila!

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Postby robgul » 19 Feb 2016, 12:17pm

honesty wrote:Surely the initals CTC really lend themselves to a bike/cyclist graphic really well a bit like the TDF logo... lowercase the letters, stick them together in a bike shape. Voila!


Yebbut the letters now required are C U K .... that's hard to see as bike or cyclist - the 2 "c" characters make the obvious wheel (with or without wings!)

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Re: The new logo?

Postby PH » 19 Feb 2016, 12:20pm

robgul wrote:
Yebbut the letters now required are C U K
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Required for what?
We've been told that MGs will not be required to change.

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Re: The new logo?

Postby honesty » 19 Feb 2016, 12:26pm

Everyones into retro now anyway. Sod this new look malarky. Polish off the old winged wheel logo and lets go back to that. The Hipsters would love it. Instant uptick in popularity with urban and commuting cyclists. Job done.

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Re: The new logo?

Postby robgul » 19 Feb 2016, 12:26pm

PH wrote:
robgul wrote:
Yebbut the letters now required are C U K
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Required for what?
We've been told that MGs will not be required to change.


The post referring to letters was presumably for the main enterprise - not just the MGs?

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Re: The new logo?

Postby Vorpal » 19 Feb 2016, 12:29pm

robgul wrote:
honesty wrote:Surely the initals CTC really lend themselves to a bike/cyclist graphic really well a bit like the TDF logo... lowercase the letters, stick them together in a bike shape. Voila!


Yebbut the letters now required are C U K .... that's hard to see as bike or cyclist - the 2 "c" characters make the obvious wheel (with or without wings!)

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Just because Cycling UK and We are Cycling UK hav been registered doesn't mean CTC has to go away? That surely would be a mistake, what ever one thinks of the new brand.
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Re: The new logo?

Postby Barred1 » 19 Feb 2016, 12:41pm

I wouldn't bet the farm on CTC being retained ... that's a recipe for more confusion ......... but then again? The message from the boss yesterday looked pretty clear about the new name and brand being what was going to happen as a clean sweep.

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Re: The new logo?

Postby gaz » 19 Feb 2016, 12:50pm

robgul wrote:Yebbut the letters now required are C U K .... that's hard to see as bike or cyclist - the 2 "c" characters make the obvious wheel (with or without wings)

Yebbut nobody likes the squiggly bike CTC logo and C U K fits perfectly on the Winged Wheel that so many people want to see again :wink: .
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Postby mjr » 19 Feb 2016, 1:07pm

Psamathe wrote:I remember many years ago when I worked for a significant (international) retail electronics manufacturer, there was a product which had a development name everybody assumed would be carried through to be the product name. That was until a French girl working for the company pointed out that in French the name meant "little prick".

Well, without the little, that's what cuk (actually çük) in Turkish is! :lol: And I think kuk in Swedish would be pronounced like we'd read CUK, too.
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Re: The new logo?

Postby Barred1 » 19 Feb 2016, 1:21pm

mjr wrote:
Psamathe wrote:I remember many years ago when I worked for a significant (international) retail electronics manufacturer, there was a product which had a development name everybody assumed would be carried through to be the product name. That was until a French girl working for the company pointed out that in French the name meant "little prick".

Well, without the little, that's what cuk (actually çük) in Turkish is! :lol: And I think kuk in Swedish would be pronounced like we'd read CUK, too.


5 seconds on Google ....

Translations of CUK - noun

penis, çük
<needless list of rude words meaning penis removed>
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Re: The new logo?

Postby Philip Benstead » 19 Feb 2016, 3:13pm

HTTP://BEYONDTHEKERB.ORG.UK/2016/02/19/CRITICAL-WORDS/
Beyond the Kerb wrote:CRITICAL WORDS
19 FEBRUARY 2016
Yesterday a couple of tweets popped up, pointing out a new trademark filing from the CTC. It was widely known that a major rebranding (and revision of strategy) was in the pipeline, and this was the first publicly available taste of that change.
There is little doubt in my mind, and that of many others, that rebranding the CTC—the Cyclists’ Touring Club—is wise. I’m a member of CTC, but I think that making cycling accessible to more people (for the side-effects that it brings) is hugely more important than a club for enthusiasts. Besides, there’s no reason to abandon that role; it’s simply being dropped from the organisation’s primary identity.
The most obvious reason for change is that touring is only a small part of the CTC’s modern day function, which makes the name unrepresentative and anachronistic. It’s been “CTC” for a long time now, but of course that’s not exactly self-explanatory, and any explicit explanation obviously has to be saddled with a lengthy caveat about the “touring” bit.
But actually, although it’s obviously problematic, I don’t think “touring” is the key issue.
I’ll come back to that.
THE BRAND
The new branding is “Cycling UK”, and the logo is as follows.

The visual branding is… not my taste. The Cocon typeface, a quasi-brush stroke sanserif, is presumably intended to covey a soft, welcoming image; but combine this with the “we are” prefix (à la “We are Macmillan”—which also uses a brush stroke in its logotype) and the “UK” suffix used by countless charities, as well as the insipid colours and—if I’m brutally honest—it feels plaintive. It makes me feel that cycling might be some sort of currently untreatable genetic disease that demands sympathy. “Asthma UK”, “Prostate Cancer UK”, “Bipolar UK”, “Pain UK”, “Blind Children UK”, “Diabetes UK”… “Cycling UK”?
But, though I personally dislike the visual design (which is in no small part a subjective matter) and have concerns about the name, neither of these is the real problem.
The real problem—from a design point of view and, crucially, from the more significant messaging point of view—is the strapline that’s been clumsily dumped below the main logotype.
(You can almost replay in your mind the meeting at which some objectors to the original designs demanded the addition of a line such as this, and I can only imagine that the brand designer has made it look completely incongruous as a matter of spite. If that’s how it came about then, as a fan of passive-aggressivism and a part-time designer among other things, frankly I’d be tempted to do the same.)
THE STRAPLINE
That strapline: “The cyclists’ champion.”
The cyclists’ champion.
Maybe it’s not obvious.
Here’s the fail: the word “cyclists”.
Let’s consider this rebranding: from the “Cyclists’ Touring Club” to “Cycling UK”. The new name may not be without issues, but it gets one thing exactly right: it replaces “cyclists” with “cycling”.
These are critical words.
Critical to communicating the right message.
Why so? Because the main, if not entire, point of this exercise is to support the enablement of cycling as a normal, safe, everyday mode of transport; to make cycling accessible and appealing to far more people. To make cycling accessible and appealing to people who aren’t cyclists.
THE STRATEGY
The CTC’s future strategy likely rests heavily on securing large public grants. Politically, this process must be delivered in one of two contexts: either that of funding for cyclists or that of funding for cycling. And, politically, these are very different. “More government money to improve cycling [for everyone]” plays out rather differently among the public at large to “more government money given to cyclists“.
Of course, there is a broader debate as to whether funding via a charity that starts to look a little like a Quango is appropriate, or whether the only way to achieve real results is to keep hammering away at the DfT and the various highways authorities until general highway provision includes infrastructure for cycling (as well as other non-motorised vehicles and mobility scooters) as part of a balanced and sustainable transport mix. After all, it’s not as if Sustrans—a long-established Quango charity in much the same space that Cycling UK will be in—has achieved anything of substance other than cementing cycling’s status as nothing more than a leisure activity.
THE FUTURE
It will be interesting to see where the CTC goes with its strategy. I have some faith that it will be progressive, though I remain cynically wary that these things are often too much about encouragement and too little about enablement. But these are early days.
I do hope, though, that the “cyclists’ champion” strapline is dropped.
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