TonyR wrote:Psamathe wrote:I can't see where we get to being critical of the petition because of something Philip may or may not have done that may or may not have been recorded in documents available to you.
Not available to me. Available to everyone since it was published in the Dec 2013 issue of Cycle. Top of p2 of http://www.ctc.org.uk/sites/default/fil ... 401005.pdfI can't quite understand all the aggression towards Philip when all he has done is to organise a petition that clearly a lot of members seem to want to sign ("a lot of members" in terms of the numbers of members who I'm guessing will be aware of the petition).
Because he's participated in the whole rebranding exercise as a Councillor for two years and now because he wasn't re-elected has taken it on himself to try to overturn those two years work by the CTC.
Yes, a number of people have signed the petition after he has lobbied member groups to sign it as well as running a Facebook campaign. Nobody has yet heard the CTC proposals.
An analogy, though analogies have limited use, it might help explain how I see participation in decisions:
Family situation with wife expecting a 3rd child. So Mum & Dad sit down and agree they really need a new car. Both husband and wife agree an new car is a good idea. Next day husband comes home with an MG Midget. Oh dear, wife expected a people carrier/SUV or something big enough for the family, but after all, she did agree they needed a new car and husband did get a new car and she was party to the "new car decision".
A lot depends on the details and agreement with a principle does not mean you also agree with the detail.
(I can't see the relevance of the article you reference. All is seems to say is that CTC is looking at how it presents itself. Maybe I'm being slow but I can't see why that article justifies all the aggression towards Philip. (Assuming you mean page 12/page 6 not page 2 as there isn't a page 2 in the pdf - 1st page is page 60/page 5 - I don't understand the page numbering whoever published it uses).