Gotten!

Discussion of the re-branding of CTC as Cycling UK.
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Gotten!

Postby Stradageek » 7 Apr 2016, 6:25pm

American words in CYCLE magazine! Is this a part of the re-brand (CYCLE magazine page 65 'Components' paragraph line 4)? Much as I am in favour (or do I need to say favor) of removing all national boundaries and barriers, I thought that, for the moment at least, we were Cycling UK rather than Cycling USA!

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Re: Gotten!

Postby vollerama » 8 Apr 2016, 4:19pm

Hi there,

"Gotten" is, in fact, an ancient English word that was in use in England at the time America was colonized by the English. Over the centuries, the Americans kept on using it and the English did not. It's considered obsolete in British English nowadays, but can be used legally.

More info here (quite an interesting read, I hope you agree): http://www.sarahwoodbury.com/on-the-use-of-the-word-gotten

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Re: Gotten!

Postby geocycle » 8 Apr 2016, 4:28pm

vollerama wrote:Hi there,

"Gotten" is, in fact, an ancient English word that was in use in England at the time America was colonized by the English. Over the centuries, the Americans kept on using it and the English did not. It's considered obsolete in British English nowadays, but can be used legally.

More info here (quite an interesting read, I hope you agree): http://www.sarahwoodbury.com/on-the-use-of-the-word-gotten


Very interesting, a linguistic disjunction, where language gets isolated from its mother tongue. The English spoken on Pitcairn is similarly arcane to the 21C ear.

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Re: Gotten!

Postby Stradageek » 8 Apr 2016, 5:29pm

Well what do you know - I must just be averse to Americanisms

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Re: Gotten!

Postby horizon » 8 Apr 2016, 5:59pm

We've explored the American thing here .....

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=101100

When people object to an Americanism (and it's not because we don't like Americans or America), it's usually pointed out that really it's a long-forgotten local word. Of course, this completely misses the point: it's not that the BBC (or whatever) is suddenly employing lots of Worsel Gummidges from hidden corners of Norfolk. No, the word has bounced back from the modern day US because of a cultural transfer from there to here. By the way, re-brand and refresh are themselves AFAIK Americanisms in a modern context: rebranding would be better and refresh as a noun is marketing speak (or should that be speaking?) pure and simple (or should that be purely and simply?). People say, well that's language, forgetting perhaps that it's also society and economy.

What we are adopting in the UK (from the US) is IMV a transactional society where every interchange between people is reduced to its basic economic content - you get what you pay for. As we adopt the system so we adopt the language that goes with it.
I have two doctors, my left leg and my right leg. (G. M. Trevelyan)
PS I always wondered why the YHA HQ was called Trevelyan House. :)

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Re: Gotten!

Postby Stradageek » 8 Apr 2016, 6:34pm

Nicely put Horizon, I spy a kindred spirit :D

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Re: Gotten!

Postby Bicycler » 10 Apr 2016, 12:01am

It used to jar terribly whenever I read it. Now it has become so common that I barely notice it. I have noticed that Vorpal uses it quite frequently, but then she's allowed to :)

I recall that one of my teachers really disliked "have got". He was fighting a losing battle with that one.