Knee cap/patella pain (how long)

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Knee cap/patella pain (how long)

Postby plasterjfe » 17 Aug 2018, 11:24am

Had a problem about 4 rides ago with my left knee cap hurting and every other ride since. The few days after are uncomfortable but not really painful then after a week it feels fine - then I do a ride and realise it hasn't gone away.

I have over this period had a bike fit that discovered my saddle was way too low (over 30mm).

Has anyone sufferwd similar and if so how long has it taken for this to heal before riding is comfortable again or even on the agenda at all.

Really frustrated that I may have to stop for a while

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Re: Knee cap/patella pain (how long)

Postby brynpoeth » 17 Aug 2018, 12:11pm

Did you raise the saddle 3 cm at once? That is a lot, try putting it down 2 cm now, then raise it a bit later maybe

Bike fittings give different results, who knows what is right?

You could search these fora, there is a lot of info about bike fitting plusminus :?
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Re: Knee cap/patella pain (how long)

Postby Graham » 17 Aug 2018, 12:21pm

As a starter, type grisogono into the search box.
This will lead you to a number of previous topic on the resolution of knee pain.

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Re: Knee cap/patella pain (how long)

Postby plasterjfe » 17 Aug 2018, 12:32pm

^
Thank you G.

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Re: Knee cap/patella pain (how long)

Postby plasterjfe » 17 Aug 2018, 12:35pm

brynpoeth wrote:^

I had the saddle over 30mm too low from the off and picked the injury up at this time. My bike fit was done as part of routing out the niggles/problems but I have not ridden properly since the fitting only a test drive approx 1 mile.

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Re: Knee cap/patella pain (how long)

Postby PhilD28 » 17 Aug 2018, 1:35pm

It sounds like the low saddle could have been the primary cause and that has been corrected, this doesn't mean that other stuff isn't going on though, such as unequal quad strength, weak glutes, tight hamstrings, poor VMO function. See a "good" sports physio who will point you in the right direction in a couple of sessions that will help bring back the strength balance lost due to the injury.

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Re: Knee cap/patella pain (how long)

Postby plasterjfe » 17 Aug 2018, 2:09pm

Possibly true.
I think overdoing it has a part with a badly fitting bike. I started out this yr so about my 4th ride onwards i was aiming for hills to get a workout and reaching for 40+miles with 3 hills thrown in about 14% from what I am reading the joints may not have been conditioned to deal with that after a short period.
Got a sportive booked in a few weeks really really want to take part in 60miles. Frustration bites.

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Re: Knee cap/patella pain (how long)

Postby Vorpal » 17 Aug 2018, 2:43pm

You haven't said precisely where the pain is, but here is a thread about one of the most common causes of knee pain in cyclists viewtopic.php?f=1&t=70076

Knee pain is probably something we should have an index thread for, but we don't, so here are a few other threads...


This one began that way, but there's a lot to it, so maybe start by skimming it viewtopic.php?f=5&t=74985

more...

http://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=86003
http://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=57450
http://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=46588
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Re: Knee cap/patella pain (how long)

Postby plasterjfe » 17 Aug 2018, 5:40pm

Vorpal wrote:You haven't said precisely where the pain is, but here is a thread about one of the most common causes of knee pain in cyclists viewtopic.php?f=1&t=70076

Knee pain is probably something we should have an index thread for, but we don't, so here are a few other threads...

This one began that way, but there's a lot to it, so maybe start by skimming it viewtopic.php?f=5&t=74985

more...

http://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=86003
http://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=57450
http://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=46588
Will take a look thank you.

Knee pain in the left knee cap just on and around the inner edge of the cap (just off centre)

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Re: Knee cap/patella pain (how long)

Postby crazydave789 » 17 Aug 2018, 10:52pm

lay back with your knees slightly bent upwards say 6 inches off the deck and get someone to push down on your kneecaps. if it hurts then that is usually patellofemoral maltracking.

if it hurts going down hill but not uphill that is another symptom and the unstable knee.

basically the kneecap is being pulled off centre and is rubbing which feels like there's broken glass under there or someone is trying to prise it off.

cycling you get it when your muscles set at your saddle height then change bikes or it slips and you continue doing the miles. half an inch can cripple a rider over a hundred miles.

when I had a knee op andI followed the physio plan it wrecked mine by putting the muscles out of balance so I had to stop for a month to let the whole knee slacken off then start again. they'd given me exercises for one way but failed to compensate the other way.

another one you can do at home is sit with you foot straight out, get someone to hold your leg at the ankle and the supported at the knee then give it a waggle from the ankle to see how loose the joint it, do it relaxed and tensed. any movement gives you a clue as to where the leg needs strengthening.

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Re: Knee cap/patella pain (how long)

Postby foxyrider » 18 Aug 2018, 9:26am

Got a mild dose myself this week. After several months on one bike I rode a different one last weekend with the saddle set 1cm lower. Return to first bike and I have knee pain (why is it always the left leg?) Two rides on and it's almost gone.

When I change bikes more regularly I don't have the issue. My left leg has been in the wars over the years (broken patella, DVT, tendonitis) and so is weaker than my right. My knee is well wobbly despite everything I do, sure that doesn't help!
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Re: Knee cap/patella pain (how long)

Postby plasterjfe » 18 Aug 2018, 2:43pm

I tried a small ride out.... only 14 miles.
Knee began to hurt as per, didnt get worse over the ride but still sore and uncomfortable.

The bike dimensions feel great in terms of height and efficiency and I can get a good leg extension out but I have noticed i have a slight heel up position on the feet and was hit with calf cramps (unusually after a short stretch of about 8 miles). Hmn
Lowering the seat might stop this but then add pressure back onto tue knees?


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Re: Knee cap/patella pain (how long)

Postby Vorpal » 18 Aug 2018, 2:48pm

plasterjfe wrote:So I tried a small ride out.... 14 miles.
Knee began to hurt as per, didnt get worse over the ride but still sore and uncomfortable.

The bike dimensions feel great in terms of height and efficiency and I can get a good leg extension out but I have noticed i have a slight heel up position on the feet and was hit with calf cramps (unusually after a short stretch of about 8 miles). Hmn
Lowering the seat might stop this but then add pressure back onto tue knees?


Try moving your saddle back. You may also need to move it down (to compensate for moving it back),

Or check out 531colin's bike set up guide http://wheel-easy.org.uk/uploads/docume ... 02017a.pdf
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Re: Knee cap/patella pain (how long)

Postby plasterjfe » 18 Aug 2018, 2:50pm

Tha
Vorpal wrote:
plasterjfe wrote:So I tried a small ride out.... 14 miles.
Knee began to hurt as per, didnt get worse over the ride but still sore and uncomfortable.

The bike dimensions feel great in terms of height and efficiency and I can get a good leg extension out but I have noticed i have a slight heel up position on the feet and was hit with calf cramps (unusually after a short stretch of about 8 miles). Hmn
Lowering the seat might stop this but then add pressure back onto tue knees?


Try moving your saddle back. You may also need to move it down (to compensate for moving it back),

Or check out 531colin's bike set up guide http://wheel-easy.org.uk/uploads/docume ... 02017a.pdf
Thanks. I will.

I wonder if crank arm length is to be considered. I am long from knee to ankle

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Postby Vorpal » 18 Aug 2018, 6:37pm

plasterjfe wrote:I wonder if crank arm length is to be considered. I am long from knee to ankle

I would not consider it, but some people feel it makes a significant difference.
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