Homeopathy, does it work?

Does homeopathy work?

Poll ended at 13 Jul 2019, 9:10am

Yes!
5
9%
Tend to yes
2
3%
No!
49
84%
Tend to no
1
2%
Worth a try if normal treatment fails
1
2%
Don't know yet
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 58

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Re: Homeopathy, does it work?

Postby Cyril Haearn » 11 Apr 2020, 1:38pm

Lots of drugs and other treatments have side-effects, sometimes these do not appear until years later, even though the drugs have been tested and approved
Right now experts are racing to make cures for cv, might be ready in a few months, but who knows what side-effects the cures may have? No-one knows

Placebos and homeopathy may have fewer side-effects
..
Checked the poll results again, don't know: zero votes
Looks like we have a lot of experts here :wink:
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Re: Homeopathy, does it work?

Postby Oldjohnw » 11 Apr 2020, 2:03pm

I'm certainly not an expert but I do know what it is to have one's life saved by a modern drug. Certainly side effects but they were known and it was a balanced view that needed to be made. And it wasn't a placebo.
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Re: Homeopathy, does it work?

Postby Jdsk » 11 Apr 2020, 6:35pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:Placebos and homeopathy may have fewer side-effects

Does that mean that you expect homeopathic treatments for coronavirus infection to be effective?

Thanks

Jonathan

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Re: Homeopathy, does it work?

Postby Cyril Haearn » 11 Apr 2020, 6:49pm

Jdsk wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:Placebos and homeopathy may have fewer side-effects

Does that mean that you expect homeopathic treatments for coronavirus infection to be effective?

Thanks

Jonathan

Of course not
I know very little* although I did biology at school
* that is why I started this thread
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Re: Homeopathy, does it work?

Postby pjclinch » 11 Apr 2020, 9:02pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:Placebos and homeopathy may have fewer side-effects


We're not exactly going out on a limb here, are we?
Conventional drugs are designed quite explicitly to alter body chemistry in a way that is tested to have a clear effect. The body is a complex system with lots of interacting mechanisms so it's impossible to tell the exact outcome of making an alteration in one aspect of it: side effects should be expected.
Homeopathic remedies contain at most the odd molecule of active ingredient, notionally something built in to the structure of the water in it. That isn't going to do much by itself to alter body chemistry so with very little alteration going on you won't have as many side effects.

But while no side effects is a Good Thing, it's somewhat secondary to stuff like "does it systematically help?" Patting someone choking with something properly lodged in their airway gently on the back has far fewer side effects than a full abdominal thrust (first aid courses teach if you have to do one you should ensure the person on the receiving end goes to hospital to check for internal injuries). On the other hand it doesn't actually save the choker by letting them breathe again, which the thrust does.

Cyril Haearn wrote:..
Checked the poll results again, don't know: zero votes
Looks like we have a lot of experts here :wink:


You seem to have missed my opening salvo:
pjclinch wrote:Lacking an "I think you'll find it's more complicated than that" option I'm not voting...


"Don't know" implies that one of the other options is correct but you're not sure which one. Since the questions don't even set out the definition of "works" it isn't as easy to answer as you seem to think. Maybe it's the pedant in me, perhaps it's the daily work in science, possibly both and other things too, but I very rarely fill in these polls because the questions are badly designed and the answers don't cover all the available bases..

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Re: Homeopathy, does it work?

Postby Cyril Haearn » 11 Apr 2020, 9:13pm

Right again pj
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I think 'don't know' is a good portmanteau choice, like 'none of the above' in politics
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Re: Homeopathy, does it work?

Postby Smallcog » 11 May 2020, 4:43pm

Since the formation of the planet, most water molecules must have been in contact with most things. Surely they will then retain their homeopathic memory of that substance. In which case, if I keep drinking tap water, I'll be cured of everything. Fantastic!

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Re: Homeopathy, does it work?

Postby hamster » 11 May 2020, 5:43pm

Smallcog wrote:Since the formation of the planet, most water molecules must have been in contact with most things. Surely they will then retain their homeopathic memory of that substance. In which case, if I keep drinking tap water, I'll be cured of everything. Fantastic!


I'd stop drinking water. It will have retained the memory of arsenic, lead, cyanide, botutoxin, cone shell venom...so be very, very poisonous indeed.

Bearing in mind the rates of dilution of homeopathy often will not have a single molecule of the original mixture, it requires a fundamentally different understanding of the operation of the physics of the universe to operate.

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Re: Homeopathy, does it work?

Postby reohn2 » 11 May 2020, 7:45pm

Perhaps tapwater has taken on in molecular memory form both good and bad and as a result is inert! :D
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