Red wine and effects on health /blood pressure

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Re: Red wine and effects on health /blood pressure

Postby rualexander » 4 Nov 2019, 9:20pm

Might be healthier to drink red grape juice instead though.

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Re: Red wine and effects on health /blood pressure

Postby ambodach » 7 Nov 2019, 7:01pm

Sadly due to a medical condition I cannot drink alcohol with impunity. Now got used to being TT and don’t miss it.

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Re: Red wine and effects on health /blood pressure

Postby Cugel » 7 Nov 2019, 10:47pm

ambodach wrote:Sadly due to a medical condition I cannot drink alcohol with impunity. Now got used to being TT and don’t miss it.


There are other stimulants tha knows ....... :-)

You could try psilocybin mushrooms or that legalised cannabis oil. Perhaps a certificate of permission can be obtained from a tame doktur?

Myself I just read something that will get me overexcited. Similar behaviours to being a happy drunk then ensue, including a lot of gabbling at the ladywife, who seems to listen but doesn't.

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Re: Red wine and effects on health /blood pressure

Postby Gearoidmuar » 8 Nov 2019, 2:19pm

PH wrote:
Polisman wrote:Most of the research I've read

Japan has a lower rate of heart disease than France, yet tend to drink more beer and spirits.

They're about the same. The Dordogne/Gascony/Perigord area of France has the most saturated fat consumption in France and possibly the world and half the average French rate.

What the Japanese and French share is a very similar and lower than most countries, consumption of sugar.

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Re: Red wine and effects on health /blood pressure

Postby Vorpal » 8 Nov 2019, 2:25pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:
axel_knutt wrote:
Paulatic wrote:I assume there’s salt in bought bread too.

Bread alone accounts for 42% of the salt in my diet, even with the lowest salt loaf available in town.

Care to post some figures, where does the 58% come from? Do you know how much salt is in the bread?
I add salt to porridge in summer occasionally, do not use it anywhere else, but lots of foods contain salt, I love that salty white cheese :?

Yeast bread has to have salt in it to keep the yeast from overproducing. The salt content can vary, but it needs to roughly match the yeast content. Exact quantities vary with process, flour, and other contents. I get the best results for most of my breads with 1 teaspoon of salt, and a slightly rounded teaspoon of dried yeast. White bread, I can use a little less, but most of what I make is wholemeal, or partly so.
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Re: Red wine and effects on health /blood pressure

Postby Vorpal » 8 Nov 2019, 2:30pm

Gearoidmuar wrote:
PH wrote:
Polisman wrote:Most of the research I've read

Japan has a lower rate of heart disease than France, yet tend to drink more beer and spirits.

They're about the same. The Dordogne/Gascony/Perigord area of France has the most saturated fat consumption in France and possibly the world and half the average French rate.

What the Japanese and French share is a very similar and lower than most countries, consumption of sugar.

This may also have as much or more to do with the French (and Japanese?) health system where they do more work in prevention than most other systems, and also have one of the world's best performance for dealing with critical heart events.
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Re: Red wine and effects on health /blood pressure

Postby Gearoidmuar » 14 Nov 2019, 2:46pm

Vorpal wrote:
Gearoidmuar wrote:
PH wrote:

Japan has a lower rate of heart disease than France, yet tend to drink more beer and spirits.

They're about the same. The Dordogne/Gascony/Perigord area of France has the most saturated fat consumption in France and possibly the world and half the average French rate.

What the Japanese and French share is a very similar and lower than most countries, consumption of sugar.

This may also have as much or more to do with the French (and Japanese?) health system where they do more work in prevention than most other systems, and also have one of the world's best performance for dealing with critical heart events.


Indeed, but what's notable about the Dordogne area is that the rate of myocardial infarction (heart attacks) is very low anyway.

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Re: Red wine and effects on health /blood pressure

Postby fastpedaller » 18 Nov 2019, 8:39pm

Just some comments...…
There is apparently a lot of research showing that salt doesn't raise blood pressure in someone with normal BP, however it is stated that if someone has high BP it may be reduced (but only by a very small factor) by cutting out salt. Make of that what you will.
My 2nd comment is that my Father in Law has fairly good health at 92 years old, along with numerous glasses of red wine and whisky each week. The only other fluid intake is coffee (and then only 1 or 2 a day). It's quite remarkable given that he's probably not done any exercise since leaving school.
As regards red wine lowering BP, that's something I can't drink then, as my BP is normal bordering on low, so I wouldn't want to drop it any more :roll: