Peter F wrote:
Tangled Metal wrote:Isn't Xylitol in toothpastes anyway??
That NHS link, as far as I could be bothered to read I'll admit, kept mentioning it doesn't cause cancer. That's not the same as not causing harm.
AFAIK there's never been independent research of various commonly n used artificial sweeteners on people who suffer migraines. I know anecdotal tales of it triggering migraines isn't a high standard of evidence but unless you can show independent, higher quality research proving it doesn't contribute towards triggering migraines I'll continue with that assertion. Reason why I'm convinced that's true is because I can deliberately trigger a migraine by consuming things with aspartame and a couple of other artificial sweeteners.
I am serious in this because I've tried various food and drink with it. For example, when in Belgium I drank a drink that was sold as a lemon health tonic drink made with very few components and no sugar only aspartame. I got a migraine in 15 minutes of my first sip. I felt the attack coming on so drank only half of the 330ml drink after reading the contents. I was able to detect when rybena lowered it's sugar content and replaced it with artificial sweeteners when I drank it for the first time in years and got a migraine. I have a friend who's my age, a migraine sufferer and can trigger migraines at will by drinking or eating anything with the common artificial sweeteners.
I bet we're not alone. I often wonder if it's safe then why don't they carry out double blind studies with migraine sufferers who claim aspartame and others cause migraines. I would wager you'll find it pretty conclusive that it is a trigger for people with migraines that believe it's a trigger. Bet the migraineurs who weren't given aspartame or other similar sweetener don't get migrants but those with it do. If you test people claiming is a trigger anecdotally.
Now I challenge anyone who has said it's safe find the gold standard research proving what I have experienced isn't down to aspartame. I've yet to find it. I am not the sort for conspiracy theories but I believe artificial sweeteners will be found out to cause harm to some consumers. I believe it be will one day be controlled or prominently highlighted as an ingredient so people can avoid it or one of the other sweeteners.
I do not follow the idea that it causes less deaths than sugar, the vaping health benefits idea for smokers. If it causes harm then it's not a good substitute when simply removing or reducing all sweeteners whether sugar or artificial sweeteners is perhaps the better option. Perhaps humans need weaning off the sweet taste full stop.
Maybe you should read it before commenting on it.
There is no evidence that it causes harm in the quantities you will find in food. Aspartame has been linked to migraines in people that are sensitive to it, but many things are thought to trigger migraines. It doesn't mean that it is dangerous or toxic at all. If something is toxic it affects everyone.
There is simply no comparison with smoking/vaping.
Does it have to be toxic to everyone to be worthy of action? Everyone isn't allergic to peanuts but they highlight of on packets. Right now there's so much on packets that isn't highlighted as causing harm to people. IMHO artificial sweeteners are one class of chemicals found in food that should be highlighted as potentially harmful.
BTW it does sound like you are dismissing migraines as a lesser condition that isn't worth action. It affects about 6 million people in the UK with 25 million lost days in school and work. Third most common disease in the world and conservatively costing £3.6 billion per year in the UK due to medical costs and lost productivity. I've seen a figure saying globally 2,9% of all years of life lost to disability are from migraines. Seventh most disabling disease globally.
People with severe allergic response to potential allergens, even those yet to find out they are, get to read the label to see there's stuff in there able to cause harm. Yet migraineurs don't get any warning unless they know what they're looking for. Ok people die with allergens but indirectly migraine does account for loss of life. Suicide is something that happens among severe sufferers. If you've ever visited migraine forums you'll read about the toll on people's mental health. It's also affecting families too.
I'm sorry but neatly measly words about not being toxic doesn't cut it harm is the measure and pure toxicology doesn't measure that. Peanuts have been linked to people sensitive to it. Let's ignore the harm it can do to those and take out the legal labelling requirements. I'm simply saying that more research into them should happen. I'm of the opinion that more research into did safety is a good thing and indeed wonder whether there's some merit in the more synthetic or chemical food additives needing almost pharmaceutical controls. There's so many chemicals used in food and food production over the years that's banned or subject to control. It's all retrospective.
To mirror your comments, read up on harm migraine causes before commenting on it. It's another serious condition that gets less attention than the effects should warrant.