Type 2 Diabetes & Cycling

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Type 2 Diabetes & Cycling

Postby Billy007 » 5 Dec 2020, 4:57pm

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Just want to point out type 2 diabetes is a result of poor lifestyle and nutrition choices, eating far too much sugar. It is generally, but not always, to be found in fat people. Eating a Keto diet, very low/no sugar, with IF usually allows the hormones insulin (and leptin) to come back into balance so they can effectively moderate blood sugar again. Sugar really is the enemy.

Whereas type 1 diabetes is genetic where the body cannot produce insulin or produces much much reduced levels to be unable to cope with controlling blood sugar levels and so type 1 diabetics have to moderate their blood sugar manually.
I really have sympathy for type 1 diabetics as life must be so much more challenging having to continually manage their blood sugar levels.

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Re: Diabetes & Cycling

Postby Jdsk » 5 Dec 2020, 5:01pm

Billy007 wrote:Just want to point out type 2 diabetes is a result of poor lifestyle and nutrition choices, eating far too much sugar.

This is a gross overstatement. There are many factors that are beyond the individual's control including age, sex, ethnicity, genetics, intrauterine environment, therapeutic drugs, and some endocrine diseases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_2_diabetes#Causes

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Re: Diabetes & Cycling

Postby rmurphy195 » 5 Dec 2020, 9:25pm

Jdsk wrote:
Billy007 wrote:Just want to point out type 2 diabetes is a result of poor lifestyle and nutrition choices, eating far too much sugar.

This is a gross overstatement. There are many factors that are beyond the individual's control including age, sex, ethnicity, genetics, intrauterine environment, therapeutic drugs, and some endocrine diseases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_2_diabetes#Causes

Jonathan


Agreed - in my case both brothers have it, and recommended I went to my GP for a checkup - that was about 10-11 years ago and, in my case I'm informed, its likely to be genetic.

Exercise and diet help me to manage it, but in practice this meant for the most part carrying on as I was apart from an extra couple of hours a week extra exercise. I'd given up sugar in tea/coffee many years before (apart, sometimes, from when on a ride) and likewise sugary drinks had never been something I consumed regularly, though I cut out even that small amount.
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Re: Diabetes & Cycling

Postby Billy007 » 21 Dec 2020, 10:30pm

Jdsk wrote:
Billy007 wrote:Just want to point out type 2 diabetes is a result of poor lifestyle and nutrition choices, eating far too much sugar.

This is a gross overstatement. There are many factors that are beyond the individual's control including age, sex, ethnicity, genetics, intrauterine environment, therapeutic drugs, and some endocrine diseases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_2_diabetes#Causes

Jonathan


No it isn't. Do you understand what causes diabetes, diabetes type 2? It is a high blood sugar level and insulin resistance. How do you get a high blood sugar and insulin resistance? By eating too much sugar and too many carbs. Age, sex, ethnicity, genetics, etc are all secondary factors generally used as excuses by people who do not understand how the body metabolises food and stores the various food groups. Many doctors don't understand either as they have very little training on nutrition bar telling patients to stop smoking, drinking and do some exercise. If you did NOT eat any sugar or carbs then your insulin levels would be extremely low and your body would burn fat, but if you are constantly filling your face with carbs and sugar your body does not get a chance to burn fat as it burns carbs instead, the ones you are filling your face with and then stores the remainder as fat so fat people get even fatter. Type 2 diabetes is totally different from type 1. I have every sympathy with and respect for people who have type 1 diabetes as their bodies cannot produce insulin so they have to manually regulate their blood sugar levels. It is not optional.

We have an NHS which is over burden with fat people because they don't understand basic nutrition. And this is just the staff!!! For decades the mantra of the NHS and medical profession has been to eat low fat foods, fat is BAD which is totally wrong. It is a hidden scandal. Just because you eat fat does NOT mean you become fat. So fat people become morbidly obese. They present themselves to their doctor who trots out the above excuses you have given and typically prescribes metaformin to trick the body into producing even more insulin to lower blood sugar levels meaning they store even more fat. It keeps the doctors and drugs companies happy. It keeps the food companies happy as fat people will still consume industrial quantities of processed sugar and carb laden foods that are labelled as LOW FAT or FAT free. It is a scandal and something most people should wake up to.

Cut out sugar and carbs from your diet or only eat a minimal amount of them and obtain them from natural organic foods that have not been processed or had sugar added such as dextrose, maltose, high fructose corn sugar (HFCS), artificial sweeteners of any sort, canola and vegetable oils, margarine, msg, aspartame, orange juice, breakfast cereals, bread, cake, crisps, pizzas, sugary fizzy drinks, biscuits, ready meals, etc., etc.

Learn to cook. Eat natural fats, avocados, nuts, walnuts, macadamia nuts, pecans, brazil nuts, olive oils, cook with olive oils, butter, organic veg, especially cruciferous veg, organic pasture raised eggs and meat, wild caught salmon and trout, sardines. The weight will literally fall off and blood sugar levels will plummet and so will insulin and no need to continue taking metaformin or other drugs maintaining insulin resistance. Get your life back. Be slim, fit and healthy.

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Re: Diabetes & Cycling

Postby RRSODL » 22 Dec 2020, 8:05pm

Billy007 wrote:
Jdsk wrote:
Billy007 wrote:Just want to point out type 2 diabetes is a result of poor lifestyle and nutrition choices, eating far too much sugar.

This is a gross overstatement. There are many factors that are beyond the individual's control including age, sex, ethnicity, genetics, intrauterine environment, therapeutic drugs, and some endocrine diseases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_2_diabetes#Causes

Jonathan


No it isn't. Do you understand what causes diabetes, diabetes type 2? It is a high blood sugar level and insulin resistance. How do you get a high blood sugar and insulin resistance? By eating too much sugar and too many carbs. Age, sex, ethnicity, genetics, etc are all secondary factors generally used as excuses by people who do not understand how the body metabolises food and stores the various food groups. Many doctors don't understand either as they have very little training on nutrition bar telling patients to stop smoking, drinking and do some exercise. If you did NOT eat any sugar or carbs then your insulin levels would be extremely low and your body would burn fat, but if you are constantly filling your face with carbs and sugar your body does not get a chance to burn fat as it burns carbs instead, the ones you are filling your face with and then stores the remainder as fat so fat people get even fatter. Type 2 diabetes is totally different from type 1. I have every sympathy with and respect for people who have type 1 diabetes as their bodies cannot produce insulin so they have to manually regulate their blood sugar levels. It is not optional. Every day is a school day don't you think?

We have an NHS which is over burden with fat people because they don't understand basic nutrition. And this is just the staff!!! For decades the mantra of the NHS and medical profession has been to eat low fat foods, fat is BAD which is totally wrong. It is a hidden scandal. Just because you eat fat does NOT mean you become fat. So fat people become morbidly obese. They present themselves to their doctor who trots out the above excuses you have given and typically prescribes metaformin to trick the body into producing even more insulin to lower blood sugar levels meaning they store even more fat. It keeps the doctors and drugs companies happy. It keeps the food companies happy as fat people will still consume industrial quantities of processed sugar and carb laden foods that are labelled as LOW FAT or FAT free. It is a scandal and something most people should wake up to.

Cut out sugar and carbs from your diet or only eat a minimal amount of them and obtain them from natural organic foods that have not been processed or had sugar added such as dextrose, maltose, high fructose corn sugar (HFCS), artificial sweeteners of any sort, canola and vegetable oils, margarine, msg, aspartame, orange juice, breakfast cereals, bread, cake, crisps, pizzas, sugary fizzy drinks, biscuits, ready meals, etc., etc.

Learn to cook. Eat natural fats, avocados, nuts, walnuts, macadamia nuts, pecans, brazil nuts, olive oils, cook with olive oils, butter, organic veg, especially cruciferous veg, organic pasture raised eggs and meat, wild caught salmon and trout, sardines. The weight will literally fall off and blood sugar levels will plummet and so will insulin and no need to continue taking metaformin or other drugs maintaining insulin resistance. Get your life back. Be slim, fit and healthy.



Absolutely correct!!!

I have reversed diabetes twice, first time was about 10 years ago when first diagnosed. I admit that I never understood and pretty much ignored my doctor's advice other than losing weight and more exercise would help. I upped my mileage considrably to sometimes 250 miles a week and cutting down bread, rice and pasta, besides that my diet was OK, plenty of vegetables and perhaps too much fruit though. In 4 months I came off medication and maintained it like that for 6 years, although I was only doing a single 40 or 50 miles ride on a Saturday and sometimes a 15 or 20 miler midweek... but my weight crept up.... I didn't know about insuline resistance and certainly didn't understand the real mechanisms of developing IR and diabetes. After 6 years I was diagnosed with a heart condition and I was advised to stop cycling while they investigated and diabetes came back soon after. For the last 4 years I have been unable to revert diabetes like I did the first time and I couldn't understand what I was doing wrong, the truth is the medication was making me worse. My March checkup was cancelled due to Covid and in August I was happy that I had lost 4 kilos and I expected a little better results but to my surprise my diabetes was so bad, 135mmol/L that the doctor rang me and asked me to come in to the surgery right away, by the end of tge week I was on 6 tablets a day and one month later he insinuated I should start injecting insuline.... I tried really hard but my daily glucose reading weren't as good as I wanted to.... I that point I began to investigate and I came across doctors saying the complete opposite my doctor had been telling me for years..... I called two cousins who are doctors and they both gave me the same advise that my GP was giving.... the question that came to mind.... can my doctor be so wrong and equality wrong my two cousins across the world? But what the doctors on YouTube said really made sence to me and their view of the problem is 180° from my GP. Anyway I'll have a go and in 3 weeks I was free of tablets.... one by one... I had to drop them or my glucose level would drop too low and I felt terrible.
I've come to the conclusion that if I only understood of the long time danger of snacking all the times, a single biscuit, an apple, or whatever.... how bad can it be? Well, everytime you eat something your pancreas releases insuline and after 40 years I became insuline resistant and 10 years later diabetic. The medicines treat the symptoms not the problem....it's like treating alcoholism with whisky lol. So I began to follow the advice "intermittent fasting" first, stopped any snack between dinner and bed time. Then I missed breakfast for a couple of days then I missed lunch for 4 days and then I started on one meal a day.... a big meal but I can't eat enough to eat the same number of calories that I would eat in 3 meals so it's a diet after all but instead of 6 small meals a day and releasing insuline 6 times I do it once a day..... After about 10 days I noticed I was less and less hungry which meant my body was using my stored fat for energy. The hardest part of all this has been to convince my wife that this fasting is not going to kill me lol and she only began to buy into it when I began to do all the little jobs around the house....somehow I had the energy to do them not just think about it :) 3 bathroom's floor done, front porch painted, two flights of stairs painted :-) still, I can now go back to two meals a day but I want to revert IR so I'll keep on one meal a day and once every 3 months fast for 3 days.... I've done that once and it was surprisingly easy.

I had my HBA1C done about 2 weeks ago and the doctor called me to congratulate me, you are now 48mmol/l and then he said "how many tablets are you taking? I said "I'm not taking any" I immediately noticed he wasn't happy.... and he said "so I'll take all these off the repeat prescriptions" I said that's fine, just leave whatever I need to monitor my blood sugar daily and his reply was "I can't do that... you are not longer diabetic so you aren't entitled to get the strips on free prescription" I replied if you had given them to me before you did I would have never been with a glucose level of 135mmol/l .... a lot cheaper for the NHS. .... my guess is that he wanted to take credit for the last 2 tablets he added to the treatment :-) Some people say on the net that pharmaceutical companies make huge profits selling medications for diabetes.

I'd like to explain what is insulin resistance but my post would be far too long and it's information readily available on the internet
.
My apologies for the long post....hopefully someone that is going through what I was going through just a few weeks ago can find the same information on YouTube and act on it.

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Re: Diabetes & Cycling

Postby Vorpal » 23 Dec 2020, 9:57am

Billy007 wrote:
Jdsk wrote:
Billy007 wrote:Just want to point out type 2 diabetes is a result of poor lifestyle and nutrition choices, eating far too much sugar.

This is a gross overstatement. There are many factors that are beyond the individual's control including age, sex, ethnicity, genetics, intrauterine environment, therapeutic drugs, and some endocrine diseases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_2_diabetes#Causes

Jonathan


No it isn't. Do you understand what causes diabetes, diabetes type 2? It is a high blood sugar level and insulin resistance. How do you get a high blood sugar and insulin resistance? By eating too much sugar and too many carbs. Age, sex, ethnicity, genetics, etc are all secondary factors generally used as excuses by people who do not understand how the body metabolises food and stores the various food groups. Many doctors don't understand either as they have very little training on nutrition bar telling patients to stop smoking, drinking and do some exercise. If you did NOT eat any sugar or carbs then your insulin levels would be extremely low and your body would burn fat, but if you are constantly filling your face with carbs and sugar your body does not get a chance to burn fat as it burns carbs instead, the ones you are filling your face with and then stores the remainder as fat so fat people get even fatter. Type 2 diabetes is totally different from type 1. ...

Learn to cook. Eat natural fats, avocados, nuts, walnuts, macadamia nuts, pecans, brazil nuts, olive oils, cook with olive oils, butter, organic veg, especially cruciferous veg, organic pasture raised eggs and meat, wild caught salmon and trout, sardines. The weight will literally fall off and blood sugar levels will plummet and so will insulin and no need to continue taking metaformin or other drugs maintaining insulin resistance. Get your life back. Be slim, fit and healthy.

There are an awful lot of assumptions about other people built into what you wrote. Even if there is some truth in it, it is not true for everyone.

Firstly, not everyone with Type 2 needs to lose weight & learn to cook. There are many factors in Type 2, and while it is clear that a an unhealthy diet and lack of exercise among the main causes, that does *not* mean that everyone who suffers from Type 2 does so because of unhealthy diet and lack of exercise. Yes, Type 2 can often be treated with diet and exercise. And certainly, if they are a problem, diet and exercise should be addressed. But that doesn't mean they are the only solution, or the solution for everyone.

Secondly, there are many, many reasons that people weigh what they do. 'fat' does not necessarily mean either unhealthy or unfit. Eating healthily, and exercising are far better predictors of health outcome than weight. Slim does not equal healthy. Statistically, people who are underweight, or the low end of recommended BMI have worse health outcomes than those who are in the middle, upper, or even somewhat over the recommended BMI.

Each person's weight, health, and treatment needs to be individual, and this is the reason that each person receives individual treatment, not just a prescription for metaformin.

p.s. the suggested foods are fairly expensive, and may be out of reach as a regular food. Plenty of folks cannot afford £5 for a day's worth of food, let alone a wild-caught trout fillet.
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Re: Type 2 Diabetes & Cycling

Postby thirdcrank » 23 Dec 2020, 11:01am

I'm fairly confident that my own type two diabetes was caused by a career during which I mainly worked rotating shifts, including four "quick changeovers" in every 28 days ie finishing work at 2200 and back again at 0600 the following morning. Apart from the obvious disruption to the mealtimes, at the first place I worked there was a rigorous canteen boycott because of the attitude of the cook. I got into the habit of either a light snack at work eg an apple, or missing meals altogether. At some points, 12 hour shifts (overtime, not "continental" shifts ) aggravated that.

That was a lifestyle in a way as I could have chosen another job, but it wasn't an informed choice in that apart from older colleagues referring to night shifts as coffin nails, I don't remember any public information about the effects of such a lifestyle.

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Re: Diabetes & Cycling

Postby Audax67 » 23 Dec 2020, 11:05am

Billy007 wrote:
Jdsk wrote:
Billy007 wrote:Just want to point out type 2 diabetes is a result of poor lifestyle and nutrition choices, eating far too much sugar.

This is a gross overstatement. There are many factors that are beyond the individual's control including age, sex, ethnicity, genetics, intrauterine environment, therapeutic drugs, and some endocrine diseases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_2_diabetes#Causes

Jonathan


No it isn't. Do you understand what causes diabetes, diabetes type 2?


Yes I do, but T2 also encompasses late-onset diabetes, caused not by gluttony but by insulin production being insufficient. I'm the 3rd generation in my family to suffer from it and believe me, being thin, fit and healthy does not get rid of it. Putting weight on makes it worse, for sure, but taking it off is not a solution.
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Re: Type 2 Diabetes & Cycling

Postby al_yrpal » 23 Dec 2020, 12:09pm

My grandad had both legs amputated from gangrene caused by diabetes and he was a fine figure very slim. My type 2 emerged in my 60s when I was a little overweight. Theres no doubt being overweight makes diabetes a danger but its not the whole story.

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Re: Type 2 Diabetes & Cycling

Postby Oldjohnw » 23 Dec 2020, 1:37pm

Last year I was borderline - thankfully ok now.

I am not overweight , i eat healthily, I know how to cook and I exercise. I always have. I have never smoked and hardly drink - a small whisky once every couple of weeks.

I don't fill my face with sugar, my diet is mostly veg plus fish and I never have processed food.
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Re: Diabetes & Cycling

Postby Billy007 » 23 Dec 2020, 2:33pm

RRSODL wrote:
Billy007 wrote:
Jdsk wrote:This is a gross overstatement. There are many factors that are beyond the individual's control including age, sex, ethnicity, genetics, intrauterine environment, therapeutic drugs, and some endocrine diseases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_2_diabetes#Causes

Jonathan


No it isn't. Do you understand what causes diabetes, diabetes type 2? It is a high blood sugar level and insulin resistance. How do you get a high blood sugar and insulin resistance? By eating too much sugar and too many carbs. Age, sex, ethnicity, genetics, etc are all secondary factors generally used as excuses by people who do not understand how the body metabolises food and stores the various food groups. Many doctors don't understand either as they have very little training on nutrition bar telling patients to stop smoking, drinking and do some exercise. If you did NOT eat any sugar or carbs then your insulin levels would be extremely low and your body would burn fat, but if you are constantly filling your face with carbs and sugar your body does not get a chance to burn fat as it burns carbs instead, the ones you are filling your face with and then stores the remainder as fat so fat people get even fatter. Type 2 diabetes is totally different from type 1. I have every sympathy with and respect for people who have type 1 diabetes as their bodies cannot produce insulin so they have to manually regulate their blood sugar levels. It is not optional. Every day is a school day don't you think?

We have an NHS which is over burden with fat people because they don't understand basic nutrition. And this is just the staff!!! For decades the mantra of the NHS and medical profession has been to eat low fat foods, fat is BAD which is totally wrong. It is a hidden scandal. Just because you eat fat does NOT mean you become fat. So fat people become morbidly obese. They present themselves to their doctor who trots out the above excuses you have given and typically prescribes metaformin to trick the body into producing even more insulin to lower blood sugar levels meaning they store even more fat. It keeps the doctors and drugs companies happy. It keeps the food companies happy as fat people will still consume industrial quantities of processed sugar and carb laden foods that are labelled as LOW FAT or FAT free. It is a scandal and something most people should wake up to.

Cut out sugar and carbs from your diet or only eat a minimal amount of them and obtain them from natural organic foods that have not been processed or had sugar added such as dextrose, maltose, high fructose corn sugar (HFCS), artificial sweeteners of any sort, canola and vegetable oils, margarine, msg, aspartame, orange juice, breakfast cereals, bread, cake, crisps, pizzas, sugary fizzy drinks, biscuits, ready meals, etc., etc.

Learn to cook. Eat natural fats, avocados, nuts, walnuts, macadamia nuts, pecans, brazil nuts, olive oils, cook with olive oils, butter, organic veg, especially cruciferous veg, organic pasture raised eggs and meat, wild caught salmon and trout, sardines. The weight will literally fall off and blood sugar levels will plummet and so will insulin and no need to continue taking metaformin or other drugs maintaining insulin resistance. Get your life back. Be slim, fit and healthy.



Absolutely correct!!!

I have reversed diabetes twice, first time was about 10 years ago when first diagnosed. I admit that I never understood and pretty much ignored my doctor's advice other than losing weight and more exercise would help. I upped my mileage considrably to sometimes 250 miles a week and cutting down bread, rice and pasta, besides that my diet was OK, plenty of vegetables and perhaps too much fruit though. In 4 months I came off medication and maintained it like that for 6 years, although I was only doing a single 40 or 50 miles ride on a Saturday and sometimes a 15 or 20 miler midweek... but my weight crept up.... I didn't know about insuline resistance and certainly didn't understand the real mechanisms of developing IR and diabetes. After 6 years I was diagnosed with a heart condition and I was advised to stop cycling while they investigated and diabetes came back soon after. For the last 4 years I have been unable to revert diabetes like I did the first time and I couldn't understand what I was doing wrong, the truth is the medication was making me worse. My March checkup was cancelled due to Covid and in August I was happy that I had lost 4 kilos and I expected a little better results but to my surprise my diabetes was so bad, 135mmol/L that the doctor rang me and asked me to come in to the surgery right away, by the end of tge week I was on 6 tablets a day and one month later he insinuated I should start injecting insuline.... I tried really hard but my daily glucose reading weren't as good as I wanted to.... I that point I began to investigate and I came across doctors saying the complete opposite my doctor had been telling me for years..... I called two cousins who are doctors and they both gave me the same advise that my GP was giving.... the question that came to mind.... can my doctor be so wrong and equality wrong my two cousins across the world? But what the doctors on YouTube said really made sence to me and their view of the problem is 180° from my GP. Anyway I'll have a go and in 3 weeks I was free of tablets.... one by one... I had to drop them or my glucose level would drop too low and I felt terrible.
I've come to the conclusion that if I only understood of the long time danger of snacking all the times, a single biscuit, an apple, or whatever.... how bad can it be? Well, everytime you eat something your pancreas releases insuline and after 40 years I became insuline resistant and 10 years later diabetic. The medicines treat the symptoms not the problem....it's like treating alcoholism with whisky lol. So I began to follow the advice "intermittent fasting" first, stopped any snack between dinner and bed time. Then I missed breakfast for a couple of days then I missed lunch for 4 days and then I started on one meal a day.... a big meal but I can't eat enough to eat the same number of calories that I would eat in 3 meals so it's a diet after all but instead of 6 small meals a day and releasing insuline 6 times I do it once a day..... After about 10 days I noticed I was less and less hungry which meant my body was using my stored fat for energy. The hardest part of all this has been to convince my wife that this fasting is not going to kill me lol and she only began to buy into it when I began to do all the little jobs around the house....somehow I had the energy to do them not just think about it :) 3 bathroom's floor done, front porch painted, two flights of stairs painted :-) still, I can now go back to two meals a day but I want to revert IR so I'll keep on one meal a day and once every 3 months fast for 3 days.... I've done that once and it was surprisingly easy.

I had my HBA1C done about 2 weeks ago and the doctor called me to congratulate me, you are now 48mmol/l and then he said "how many tablets are you taking? I said "I'm not taking any" I immediately noticed he wasn't happy.... and he said "so I'll take all these off the repeat prescriptions" I said that's fine, just leave whatever I need to monitor my blood sugar daily and his reply was "I can't do that... you are not longer diabetic so you aren't entitled to get the strips on free prescription" I replied if you had given them to me before you did I would have never been with a glucose level of 135mmol/l .... a lot cheaper for the NHS. .... my guess is that he wanted to take credit for the last 2 tablets he added to the treatment :-) Some people say on the net that pharmaceutical companies make huge profits selling medications for diabetes.

I'd like to explain what is insulin resistance but my post would be far too long and it's information readily available on the internet
.
My apologies for the long post....hopefully someone that is going through what I was going through just a few weeks ago can find the same information on YouTube and act on it.


Thank you. I am glad for you that you have got your health and life back. Well done. Sadly most GPs don't really know much about nutrition. They treat symptoms rather than causes. Many are well meaning but putting patients on a life time of medication so they can tick boxes and keep the drugs companies happy is a scandal whether they realise it or not. Intermittent fasting is a great way to help lower insulin levels. It sounds like you have done some good research, taken action and now have control of exactly what goes into your body.

Yes there are a few good YT channels giving excellent advice on reversing type 2 diabetes lowering insulin levels by reducing sugar and carb intake eating moderate protein and healthy fats and lots of veg. My favourites are Dr Sten Ekberg former Olympic decathlete and Dr Berg. There is also Dr Jason Fung who often gets mentioned positively, but there are only so many hours in the day.

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Re: Diabetes & Cycling

Postby Billy007 » 23 Dec 2020, 2:42pm

Vorpal wrote:
Billy007 wrote:
Jdsk wrote:This is a gross overstatement. There are many factors that are beyond the individual's control including age, sex, ethnicity, genetics, intrauterine environment, therapeutic drugs, and some endocrine diseases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_2_diabetes#Causes

Jonathan


No it isn't. Do you understand what causes diabetes, diabetes type 2? It is a high blood sugar level and insulin resistance. How do you get a high blood sugar and insulin resistance? By eating too much sugar and too many carbs. Age, sex, ethnicity, genetics, etc are all secondary factors generally used as excuses by people who do not understand how the body metabolises food and stores the various food groups. Many doctors don't understand either as they have very little training on nutrition bar telling patients to stop smoking, drinking and do some exercise. If you did NOT eat any sugar or carbs then your insulin levels would be extremely low and your body would burn fat, but if you are constantly filling your face with carbs and sugar your body does not get a chance to burn fat as it burns carbs instead, the ones you are filling your face with and then stores the remainder as fat so fat people get even fatter. Type 2 diabetes is totally different from type 1. ...

Learn to cook. Eat natural fats, avocados, nuts, walnuts, macadamia nuts, pecans, brazil nuts, olive oils, cook with olive oils, butter, organic veg, especially cruciferous veg, organic pasture raised eggs and meat, wild caught salmon and trout, sardines. The weight will literally fall off and blood sugar levels will plummet and so will insulin and no need to continue taking metaformin or other drugs maintaining insulin resistance. Get your life back. Be slim, fit and healthy.

There are an awful lot of assumptions about other people built into what you wrote. Even if there is some truth in it, it is not true for everyone.

Firstly, not everyone with Type 2 needs to lose weight & learn to cook. There are many factors in Type 2, and while it is clear that a an unhealthy diet and lack of exercise among the main causes, that does *not* mean that everyone who suffers from Type 2 does so because of unhealthy diet and lack of exercise. Yes, Type 2 can often be treated with diet and exercise. And certainly, if they are a problem, diet and exercise should be addressed. But that doesn't mean they are the only solution, or the solution for everyone.

Secondly, there are many, many reasons that people weigh what they do. 'fat' does not necessarily mean either unhealthy or unfit. Eating healthily, and exercising are far better predictors of health outcome than weight. Slim does not equal healthy. Statistically, people who are underweight, or the low end of recommended BMI have worse health outcomes than those who are in the middle, upper, or even somewhat over the recommended BMI.

Each person's weight, health, and treatment needs to be individual, and this is the reason that each person receives individual treatment, not just a prescription for metaformin.

p.s. the suggested foods are fairly expensive, and may be out of reach as a regular food. Plenty of folks cannot afford £5 for a day's worth of food, let alone a wild-caught trout fillet.


I would suggest you watch the YT channels I have mentioned in my comment above then come back and comment as you clearly do not understand what T2 diabetes is let alone how to reverse it or the role of insulin in the body. Yes thin people can be T2 diabetic. They typically store sugar as visceral fat i.e. around their organs and have fatty livers leading to cirrhosis and liver failure. But you cannot get away from the fact that in the body, blood sugar level is regulated by insulin. If you eat a lot of sugar and carbs you will develop insulin resistance. If you reduce your carb and sugar intake insulin levels will fall.

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Re: Type 2 Diabetes & Cycling

Postby Billy007 » 23 Dec 2020, 2:44pm

thirdcrank wrote:I'm fairly confident that my own type two diabetes was caused by a career during which I mainly worked rotating shifts, including four "quick changeovers" in every 28 days ie finishing work at 2200 and back again at 0600 the following morning. Apart from the obvious disruption to the mealtimes, at the first place I worked there was a rigorous canteen boycott because of the attitude of the cook. I got into the habit of either a light snack at work eg an apple, or missing meals altogether. At some points, 12 hour shifts (overtime, not "continental" shifts ) aggravated that.

That was a lifestyle in a way as I could have chosen another job, but it wasn't an informed choice in that apart from older colleagues referring to night shifts as coffin nails, I don't remember any public information about the effects of such a lifestyle.


Dr Berg on YT does a good video about stress and how it raises cortisol levels in the body.

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Re: Diabetes & Cycling

Postby Billy007 » 23 Dec 2020, 2:50pm

Audax67 wrote:
Billy007 wrote:
Jdsk wrote:This is a gross overstatement. There are many factors that are beyond the individual's control including age, sex, ethnicity, genetics, intrauterine environment, therapeutic drugs, and some endocrine diseases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_2_diabetes#Causes

Jonathan


No it isn't. Do you understand what causes diabetes, diabetes type 2?


Yes I do, but T2 also encompasses late-onset diabetes, caused not by gluttony but by insulin production being insufficient. I'm the 3rd generation in my family to suffer from it and believe me, being thin, fit and healthy does not get rid of it. Putting weight on makes it worse, for sure, but taking it off is not a solution.


Yebbut insulin levels are controlled by sugar in the blood. If your body is not producing sufficient insulin and you say previous generations have also suffered then it may be that you are genetically predisposed to lack insulin production which would make you more a Type 1 diabetic whose bodies do not produce insulin. Maybe you and your elder generations have been incorrectly diagnosed? It's possible. Type 2 diabetes is a not a result of failure of your body to produce insulin. It is caused by poor lifestyle and nutrition choices where people eat far too much sugar, carbs and processed food and do zero exercise. If this isn't gluttony I don't know what is? Ok I suppose you can be a glutton eating healthy non sugary and very low carb foods so the definition of gluttony doesn't require you to eat sugar and carbs but nevertheless people who are typically fat or obese do lead a sedentary gluttonous lifestyle.

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Re: Type 2 Diabetes & Cycling

Postby Billy007 » 23 Dec 2020, 3:02pm

Oldjohnw wrote:Last year I was borderline - thankfully ok now.

I am not overweight , i eat healthily, I know how to cook and I exercise. I always have. I have never smoked and hardly drink - a small whisky once every couple of weeks.

I don't fill my face with sugar, my diet is mostly veg plus fish and I never have processed food.



I am pleased for you that you eat a healthy diet low in carbs and sugar and that you exercise.