Touring bicycle frame weight - info gathering

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Re: Touring bicycle frame weight - info gathering

Postby pwa » 11 Oct 2017, 7:06pm

bigjim wrote:There is always the halfway option. Not a tourer or a racer. but you may have to look at the used market. The Classic Clubmans bike. Which is more the do all bike IMO. My Raleigh Clubman seems to tick all the boxes. I use it on club runs and hostel tours. I don't know what the modern equivalent is.
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I have heard that sort of bike called "light tourer" or Audax. Great for long rides carrying a bit of baggage but not full on camping gear. Nice bike.

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Re: Touring bicycle frame weight - info gathering

Postby MikeDee » 11 Oct 2017, 7:55pm

Lots of people are touring with one wheeled trailers. You can tour with a light weight bike providing you have low enough gears.


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Re: Touring bicycle frame weight - info gathering

Postby meic » 11 Oct 2017, 8:45pm

I would make a distinction between an Audax and a light tourer.

The Audax would have max 28mm tyres and caliper brakes. The light tourer would have room for larger tyres and consequently a different type of brake.
This easy distinction has somewhat been torn up by the introduction of disk brakes.
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Re: Touring bicycle frame weight - info gathering

Postby bigjim » 11 Oct 2017, 8:58pm

I have heard that sort of bike called "light tourer" or Audax. Great for long rides carrying a bit of baggage but not full on camping gear. Nice bike.

I'm not sure. Back in the 80s Raleigh marketed their Royal as a light tourer. Slim forks and centrepull brakes. A very nice bike [I have one]. In the 90s this bike appeared with the same frame but now with cantis front and rear and fork braze-ons for front panniers, plus supplied with a rack. Now a full on tourer, but the same frame and forks as the light tourer.
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Re: Touring bicycle frame weight - info gathering

Postby The utility cyclist » 12 Oct 2017, 3:33pm

meic wrote:I would make a distinction between an Audax and a light tourer.

The Audax would have max 28mm tyres and caliper brakes. The light tourer would have room for larger tyres and consequently a different type of brake.
This easy distinction has somewhat been torn up by the introduction of disk brakes.

Why does an audax bike have to be limited to 28mm tyres, it certainly wasn't back in the day?
My 2001 ridgeback day02 was a jack of all trades, racy geometry, caliper brakes but capable of taking a fairly wide tyre (32mm IIRC). Handling wise absolutely superb, 50mph no qualms at all, loaded touring or utility, no sweat. it also came with flat bars as std, so what is it, an audax bike, a tourer, a hybrid, a racer with braze ons for rack and guards or simply all of them?

There never was a distinction, just some people's rigid imaginations of what x type of bike should be, just like you insisting an audax bike is x and a light tourer (whatever that is) is y.
This is as much pushed by marketing people than any other group and those supposedly in the know telling others that's not a xxxx or you cant use that for xxxx.

As for the disc brake infusion, on road going bikes they are for mugs and the marketing people have done a grand job at pushing them onto the feeble minded.
They offer very little advantage over calipers (38mm is easy doable on dual pivots) so i guess if you want to ride with extremely wide road tyres theres the advantage) and none over v-brakes. They offer no safety enhancement whatsoever.
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Re: Touring bicycle frame weight - info gathering

Postby Psamathe » 12 Oct 2017, 4:07pm

Gattonero wrote:....
It's ok for me, I never carry too much weight in baggage anyway, bags&gear being 7-8kg max.....

Is that for camping & cooking, just camping or using B&Bs/hotels ?

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Re: Touring bicycle frame weight - info gathering

Postby meic » 12 Oct 2017, 10:01pm

Why does an audax bike have to be limited to 28mm tyres, it certainly wasn't back in the day?

Because that is a significant step between bikes where as most other differences are a continuum.
The leap from a bike with long reach caliper brakes to brakes mounted on braze ons.
Sure you could have longer caliper brakes but nobody has been making brakes with them on for a long time. It was the typical bike for Audaxing 25/28mm tyres, mudguards, 57mm calipers.
It is just a name we are talking about not a restriction on its type of use.
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Re: Touring bicycle frame weight - info gathering

Postby dg » 13 Oct 2017, 1:09pm

I recently dismantled my 21 year old steel tourer for a respray, so I have some weights for your data collection.

It's a 23" Chas Roberts (branded "FW Evans"), 531ST double butted frame and forks.
Frame 2460g (including bottom bracket + axle and steering bearing cups)
Forks 760g.

The whole bike weighs 13.5kg fully assembled. The rear pannier on its own is 1410g; I might treat myself to a lighter one someday.

I bought it to replace a Claud Butler Mistral, which was also 531 DB, but from before the days when they divided into 531C and 531ST. It gave a livelier ride, which I preferred, and I put down to the thinner tubing. I've never been one for touring carrying a tent + kitchen sink, which is when i imagine the 531ST came into its own.

In the last couple of years I've started going out on short day rides with a club, and have bought a Spa Audax Ti for the summer, relegating the Evans to winter duties. The Spa handles beautifully. It weighs about 10.5kg fully assembled.

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Re: Touring bicycle frame weight - info gathering

Postby Gattonero » 15 Oct 2017, 9:41am

Psamathe wrote:
Gattonero wrote:....
It's ok for me, I never carry too much weight in baggage anyway, bags&gear being 7-8kg max.....

Is that for camping & cooking, just camping or using B&Bs/hotels ?

Ian


Camping.
My opinion is that I am to spend more time cycling than sleeping or faffing in the tent, so as long as I have a reliable shelter that allows me to sit up I'm fine with it. Same for all the kit, removing as many "gadgets" as possible to travel light.
7-8kg to fit in a Carradice Camper and Carradice Junior, that's all :D

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that was summertime so I reckon I was carrying less than 7kg, bike with bags& gear around 18kg. It was greatly appreciated when going up Bignor Hill! :mrgreen:
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Of course, other people have a different approach, and would carry a big tent with porch, camping chairs and so on. Is good to have a choice! :)
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