Braze-ons for a RH front brake

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Re: Braze-ons for a RH front brake

Postby Mick F » 26 Mar 2020, 6:43pm

PS:
Photos to follow tomorrow. Too late in the evening for me now to do it.

The centre-pull brackets seem as old as the bike. They don't look at all like later additions and I doubt side-pulls have ever been on there.
There's a braze-on for the brake cable coming upwards up the seat tube to the pulley for the centre-pull.

As I say, photos tomorrow.
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Re: Braze-ons for a RH front brake

Postby Mick F » 26 Mar 2020, 6:54pm

Found this taken the other day.
Zoomed in and cropped.

You can see the cable stop centrally on the rear of the seatstay suggesting centre-pull brakes..
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Re: Braze-ons for a RH front brake

Postby andrew_s » 26 Mar 2020, 7:32pm

Mick F wrote:That photo shows how it's meant to be?
RH brake lever to the rear brake?

Look more closely.
The cable from the RH brake goes into the top of the stem just behind the bars, using the stem as a cable hanger.

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Re: Braze-ons for a RH front brake

Postby rjb » 26 Mar 2020, 7:52pm

Mick F wrote:Found this taken the other day.
Zoomed in and cropped.

You can see the cable stop centrally on the rear of the seatstay suggesting centre-pull brakes..IMG_0089.jpg


Did you mean to say seat tube. :oops:
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Re: Braze-ons for a RH front brake

Postby pwa » 26 Mar 2020, 7:58pm

rjb wrote:
Mick F wrote:Found this taken the other day.
Zoomed in and cropped.

You can see the cable stop centrally on the rear of the seatstay suggesting centre-pull brakes..IMG_0089.jpg


Did you mean to say seat tube. :oops:

Isn't there a cable hanger brazed onto the seatstays?

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Re: Braze-ons for a RH front brake

Postby Mick F » 26 Mar 2020, 8:02pm

rjb wrote:
Mick F wrote:Found this taken the other day.
Zoomed in and cropped.

You can see the cable stop centrally on the rear of the seatstay suggesting centre-pull brakes..IMG_0089.jpg


Did you mean to say seat tube. :oops:
Yes.
Sorry! :lol:
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Re: Braze-ons for a RH front brake

Postby Mick F » 26 Mar 2020, 8:03pm

pwa wrote:Isn't there a cable hanger brazed onto the seatstays?
No.

Photos in the sunshine tomorrow.

I'm convinced that the bike originally had centre-pulls.
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Re: Braze-ons for a RH front brake

Postby pwa » 26 Mar 2020, 8:12pm

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Summat like this perhaps.

I know it is cantis here, but maybe the hanger was something like this.
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Re: Braze-ons for a RH front brake

Postby Mick F » 26 Mar 2020, 8:36pm

Yes.
The pulley hanger is part of the seat-lug bolt clamp system

The brake cable leaves the 'bars to the boss at the forward end of the Mixte tube, then is bare to the rear boss, then the cable goes up to the boss on the rear of the seat tube, then bare over the pulley and down to the centre-pull stirrup.

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Re: Braze-ons for a RH front brake

Postby Mick F » 26 Mar 2020, 8:43pm

Just realised ........
The title of this thread is misleading. Sorry! :cry:

The "problem" is that the RH front brake lever is the front brake correctly, but the REAR brake has the braze-ons on the RIGHT when they should be on the LEFT.
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Re: Braze-ons for a RH front brake

Postby Mick F » 26 Mar 2020, 9:27pm

eMails between me and Daughter2 this evening.

Maybe an odd question regarding Marjorie. There is no right or wrong answer.
Which brake lever on the handlebars worked which brake?
Two levers
Left and right.
Which lever worked which brake?
Do you know, or don’t you know?


I have always adhered to what I was told in my cycling proficiency classes and squeezed the left brake lever first, followed by the right. Back brake first, otherwise you are launched over the handlebars. I believe this to be true and this rule has not failed me yet.

Hope that helps!
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Re: Braze-ons for a RH front brake

Postby Mick F » 26 Mar 2020, 9:52pm

Mercian in 1991 at Rowerdennan on Lomomanside Scotland.
Note the RH lever goes down the right to the front Campag Victory brake, and the LH lever goes to the left to the rear Campag Victory brake.
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Re: Braze-ons for a RH front brake

Postby RJS » 26 Mar 2020, 10:06pm

My father rode fixed, so no rear brake, front brake on the left, so he could signal right.
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Re: Braze-ons for a RH front brake

Postby Mick F » 26 Mar 2020, 10:20pm

RJS wrote:My father rode fixed, so no rear brake, front brake on the left, so he could signal right.
Cheers, Rob.
That doesn't make sense to me.

Rear braking with a Fixed is via the cranks.
Front braking is via the lever.

How hard would you need to brake and signal and turn right?
If you need to brake hard, you're doing it wrong.
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Re: Braze-ons for a RH front brake

Postby Brucey » 26 Mar 2020, 10:46pm

Mick,
you already posted this photo

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which shows the brake calipers and cables to be identically configured to a photo I posted upthread.

So there is no doubt about how the brakes are meant to be organised. There is also no doubt that the braze ons were quite normal for that bike at that time. Your Mercian's are on the other side because of the brake caliper that the frame has been designed to use. The brake braze ons are normally in any given place because of the brake calipers or because you might want to throw the bike over your shoulder and this has absolutely nothing to do with which way the brake levers are connected; the same bikes exactly with the same cable stops etc are sold in RHD and LHD countries, just with the cables connected the other way round.

All you need to do is to look at a few old bikes and bike catalogues to see that any ideas that 'the braze ons are on the 'wrong' side' are quite fallacious.

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