TRP cable actuated hydraulic brakes, thoughts?

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TRP cable actuated hydraulic brakes, thoughts?

Postby Zimba » 31 Oct 2015, 3:14pm

These beauties are getting rave revues as the best solution for Road bike use, lightweight, sturdy, self centering and self adjuating they seem to be the answer to pug ugly hydro brake levers.


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Re: TRP cable actuated hydraulic brakes, thoughts?

Postby Valbrona » 1 Nov 2015, 2:37am

I should coco.

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Re: TRP cable actuated hydraulic brakes, thoughts?

Postby wfbroddy » 2 Nov 2015, 7:39am

I have them on my Genesis Croix de Fer and they are very good, used with Shimano Tiara drop levers maybe a bit heavier than cable operated only disc brakes IE Avid BB7 but not by much.

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Re: TRP cable actuated hydraulic brakes, thoughts?

Postby Mattyfez » 2 Nov 2015, 9:06am

Curious as to the benefit of cable actuated hydraulics over a full hydraulic system.. I have cable disks but hydraulics are generally accepted as 'better'.

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Postby reohn2 » 2 Nov 2015, 9:49am

Mattyfez wrote:Curious as to the benefit of cable actuated hydraulics over a full hydraulic system.. I have cable disks but hydraulics are generally accepted as 'better'.


So one finger lock up capability isn't good enough for you then :wink:
Discs are the bright new shiny thing in racing (or trying to be) so self centring and adjustment has to be available for quick wheel changes on the road only hydros offer that feature,so other than that I can't see the need for us normal people,however the want is another thing entirely :wink: .
BTW how much do they cost?
EDIT:-Just checked,the cheapest(Juin tech) are £150, £50+ more than a pair of BB7 road,which I s'pose isn't too bad for a new product.
The TRP ones are double that though :shock:
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Postby mrjemm » 2 Nov 2015, 10:45am

Zimba wrote:These beauties are getting rave revues as the best solution for Road bike use, lightweight, sturdy, self centering and self adjuating they seem to be the answer to pug ugly hydro brake levers.


You saying those Heath-Robinsonesque (Rube Goldbergesque for USAians) clunky compromised beasties that awkwardly mangle mech to gloop are better looking than a pair of hydro levers (albeit hydrocephalic in STI form)?

In the past I argued, or at least suggested, that the parabox style converter (under the stem type) was less offensive/more logical, but think I may've been out-brained by the more clever. Doesn't stop me being opinionated though. :wink:

As for cost... I really really want some Paul Klampers, but at almost £300 for a set of (mech) brakes, I'd have to be drunk-clicking. Still, Paul's prices are not quite as bonkers as Moulton prices.

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Re: TRP cable actuated hydraulic brakes, thoughts?

Postby foxyrider » 2 Nov 2015, 11:00am

Mattyfez wrote:Curious as to the benefit of cable actuated hydraulics over a full hydraulic system.. I have cable disks but hydraulics are generally accepted as 'better'.

the biggest benefit is not having to use dedicated levers/shifters with all the expense that brings. Of course not having yards of hydraulic hose is a weight saver and lets face it, we all like something we can play with!

TRP's are hardly twice the price of them other things either, you can get them for @ £100 a wheel or less if shop around.
Convention? what's that then?
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Postby reohn2 » 2 Nov 2015, 12:16pm

mrjemm wrote:......As for cost... I really really want some Paul Klampers, but at almost £300 for a set of (mech) brakes, I'd have to be drunk-clicking. Still, Paul's prices are not quite as bonkers as Moulton prices.


If I was drunk-clicking I be so well gone as not to be able to recognise a 'pooter as a technical advancement let a lone to click at all for me to buy anything Paul or Moulton like :mrgreen:
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Postby reohn2 » 2 Nov 2015, 12:17pm

foxyrider wrote:..........lets face it, we all like something we can play with!.........


Spoken like a true man :shock: :mrgreen:
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Re: TRP cable actuated hydraulic brakes, thoughts?

Postby MikeDee » 2 Nov 2015, 3:33pm

I wonder about the ability to take the heat from braking as all the brake fluid is at the caliper, and the fluid capacity is minimal. Compare to a full hydraulic system which has the reservoir at the lever and a long hose.

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Postby Rich_Clements » 2 Nov 2015, 3:43pm

MikeDee wrote:I wonder about the ability to take the heat from braking as all the brake fluid is at the caliper, and the fluid capacity is minimal. Compare to a full hydraulic system which has the reservoir at the lever and a long hose.

Thats a very good point, something I hadn't thought of
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Re: TRP cable actuated hydraulic brakes, thoughts?

Postby foxyrider » 2 Nov 2015, 4:05pm

MikeDee wrote:I wonder about the ability to take the heat from braking as all the brake fluid is at the caliper, and the fluid capacity is minimal. Compare to a full hydraulic system which has the reservoir at the lever and a long hose.

There is actually less heat transfer on the TRP's due to the material used but of course boiling fluid is a problem on full hydraulic systems! I will soon be fitting a better disc in a bigger size to lessen the heat issues, i can get fade on long steep drops without effort in these parts!
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Re: TRP cable actuated hydraulic brakes, thoughts?

Postby reohn2 » 2 Nov 2015, 5:33pm

Rich_Clements wrote:
MikeDee wrote:I wonder about the ability to take the heat from braking as all the brake fluid is at the caliper, and the fluid capacity is minimal. Compare to a full hydraulic system which has the reservoir at the lever and a long hose.

Thats a very good point, something I hadn't thought of


I'm not sure it would make any difference or may even favour the reservoir on the calliper as there'd be more oil locally which could absorb the heat.
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Re: TRP cable actuated hydraulic brakes, thoughts?

Postby Zimba » 2 Nov 2015, 5:53pm

The mechanism has self cooling fins apparently. You can buy them for £75 per wheel, rotor and brake direct from Taiwan on ebay. They've pretty much set the bar for Shimano and everyone else to follow, for road bike hydraulics.