...But but but (now home, having a look on lappy), the seat tube is only 0.5 slacker than the Ogre, and exactly the same as the ECR. The ECR head angle is slacker, and the tyre clearances (assuming you mean tyre clearances) are... I can't see them listed, but doubt they're bigger than the ECR's 3", with the Ogre at 2.5". As for Salsa, I think it's closer to the new Deadwood (
http://salsacycles.com/bikes/deadwood ), but of course...
reohn2 wrote:No alternator rear d/outs

You have been paying attention, a gold star for you.

The forks are not as comprehensively fitted out as the Surly bikes', and the rear dropouts, while not Alternators (thank Corbyn for that) are a bit, erm, 'plain', and the mech hanger looks flimsy.
The purple is reminiscent of the old Straggler 'Glitter Dreams', if darker. I prefer the new mint green Stragglers though.
I do like the cable adjusters on the headtube though, and I am sure they'll be cheaper, but certainly not anything new here, or any reason for it to be more classic than an ECR or other QBP product. Sorry.
