Brucey wrote:if you use a later (non NIG) SA 3s hub then there are longer axles available for those (175 or 177 mm or something)
it shows on the SA website that they do exist. if you knew where one might be bought in the UK or EU i'd love to know
Brucey wrote:if you use a later (non NIG) SA 3s hub then there are longer axles available for those (175 or 177 mm or something)
Brucey wrote:if you use a later (non NIG) SA 3s hub then there are longer axles available for those (175 or 177 mm or something), and that might let you keep the frame as it is.
IIRC a non-NIG internal will usually fit into an older AW hubshell on a non-brake hub but if you fit a long axle to a 70mm brake hub I think you need the internal and the hubshell to match and be the later type. Do check this but I think you can fit the longer axle to a SAB3 hub for example.
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hubgearfreak wrote:Brucey wrote:if you use a later (non NIG) SA 3s hub then there are longer axles available for those (175 or 177 mm or something)
it shows on the SA website that they do exist. if you knew where one might be bought in the UK or EU i'd love to know
hubgearfreak wrote:Brucey wrote:if you use a later (non NIG) SA 3s hub then there are longer axles available for those (175 or 177 mm or something)
it shows on the SA website that they do exist. if you knew where one might be bought in the UK or EU i'd love to know
Meanwhile project Inbred 3 speed continues: I have reduced the rear spacing to 120mm by drawing the dropouts together with a length of 10mm threaded bar, nuts and washers (my headset installation tool as it happens). The On One frame was quite resistant to this, I had to squeeze the dropouts to 83mm apart to achieve a permanent set to 120mm. The dropouts converge by about 1mm from front to rear, which is negligible IMO, and the tracking appears fine.
robc02 wrote:Meanwhile project Inbred 3 speed continues: I have reduced the rear spacing to 120mm by drawing the dropouts together with a length of 10mm threaded bar, nuts and washers (my headset installation tool as it happens). The On One frame was quite resistant to this, I had to squeeze the dropouts to 83mm apart to achieve a permanent set to 120mm. The dropouts converge by about 1mm from front to rear, which is negligible IMO, and the tracking appears fine.
Are you sure both sides of the rear triangle moved by the same amount? - The bit of string around the headtube from each dropout will confirm this (or not!) quite easily.
If you firmly bolt up just one side of your hub in the dropout, you might be surprised at how hard you have to pull the other side to get the wheel aligned. I have had this experience with a respaced frame but didn't measure the convergence of the dropouts so can't specifically comment on your 1mm measurement. Checking it with a spare front hub and tweaking the alignment with an adjustable spanner is very easy - so easy it's hardly worth not doing!
niggle wrote: .... with the thick steel Inbred dropouts this was not quite as trivial as you make it sound...
Brucey wrote:niggle wrote: .... with the thick steel Inbred dropouts this was not quite as trivial as you make it sound...
-which is why I was particularly concerned with convergence and possible broken axles....
good luck with the build!
BTW the P5 isn't too bad a hub apart from the shifting arrangements; the clickbox on the RHS is a problem area. I have seen one or two SRAM P5 hubs where one of the selector keys jumped out of position or the control rods got in a tangle but these things are usually not show stoppers provided you are willing to open up the hub and fix it.
The earlier Sachs 5s hub (with two toggle chains) is arguably a more reliable hub, provided you use two separate shifters, one for each toggle. I think with a little effort you might be able to convert the P5 to this shifting arrangement, and in time you might have to; already the clickboxes for the P5 are difficult to find as spare parts I think.
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