What is the cheapest new touring bike worth getting?

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Re: What is the cheapest new touring bike worth getting?

Postby chocjohn9 » 30 Jun 2016, 10:23am

I thought you might be excited by the LHT.
I looked at one, once, and I'm 6foot1 with an inside leg of 33" and the 60cm was good. So I'd have thought that it would be OK for you.
Check on the colours/spec. I think the black ones are a year earlier than the white and there were minor differences in the spec.
At the very least, these things seem to go for very excitable prices, even second hand, on ebay, so you are not going to loose out at this new price.

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Re: What is the cheapest new touring bike worth getting?

Postby irc » 30 Jun 2016, 11:05am

Tangled Metal wrote:Wow! Would a LHT 2013 version in 62cm size fit me? £799 seems a good price I think. I'm 6'5" tall with a trouser inside leg of about 34" to 36", guess that means standover height would be a bit higher.

Hmmm! I think I got a 57cm London Road from PlanetX but that's a compact frame so perhaps I'm a 60cm really so doubt I'd fit a 62cm LHT.


I think so. I'm 6ft3 , 35" inside leg (crotch to ground, not trouser leg) and ride a 60cm Trucker with 4" seat post exposed. . Wouldn't go larger I felt the 60cm was the right top tube length. So I suspect a 62cm would fit you.

On my 60cm the standover height is 33 1/2" in the middle of the top tube (with 700x35 tyres). So around 34 1/2" standover heightfor the 62cm?
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Re: What is the cheapest new touring bike worth getting?

Postby Tangled Metal » 30 Jun 2016, 12:06pm

Why oh why did I start this thread? I'm going to be broke soon.

It started out of curiosity for what would constitute a reasonable tourer to get for a low price. I kind of exploration of what makes the absolute bare, acceptable minimum for a useable tourer bought new. Now it's become an expensive. Proposition with something really good at an unbelievable price. How cruel forums can be! I've just spent a shedload on kit for a tour and now I might come home to a bill for a new tourer! Outta amazing how savings disappear.

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Re: What is the cheapest new touring bike worth getting?

Postby chocjohn9 » 30 Jun 2016, 1:21pm

.....I'm really, really sorry for pointing it out.
Please forgive me, then buy it and send me a beer afterwards :D I'm doing you a "favour" !!!!

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Re: What is the cheapest new touring bike worth getting?

Postby Sweep » 30 Jun 2016, 2:26pm

pete75 wrote:
I mostly build bikes up but if I was after an off the peg tourer I doubt I'd spend any more than the £985 needed to buy a Spa Steel tourer though if I wanted a "trekking" style machine I'd be look at vsf fahrradmanufaktur products.

By trecking do you mean expedition? If so why do you think that the spa wouldn't be up to it?
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Re: What is the cheapest new touring bike worth getting?

Postby mercalia » 30 Jun 2016, 2:33pm

depends what you mean by touring? how many days and how much gear? and what sort of mileage per day & how many hours riding per day? it has to be a comfortable bike to ride so back-side in the air bikes not wanted? I would bet any hybrid of decent quality would do these days? when the class of "tourers" was invented all you had was roadsters ( grandads with sturmy archer 3 speed and steel mudguards and wheels) and racing bikes? when you look at the tourers of old they aint any thing special just not super lightweight racers or super heavy roadster?
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Re: What is the cheapest new touring bike worth getting?

Postby irc » 30 Jun 2016, 2:37pm

Tangled Metal wrote:Why oh why did I start this thread? I'm going to be broke soon.

It started out of curiosity for what would constitute a reasonable tourer to get for a low price. I kind of exploration of what makes the absolute bare, acceptable minimum for a useable tourer bought new. Now it's become an expensive. Proposition with something really good at an unbelievable price. How cruel forums can be! I've just spent a shedload on kit for a tour and now I might come home to a bill for a new tourer! Outta amazing how savings disappear.


Like everyone else I've not used every tourer on the market but for loaded touring the Trucker has flawless handling. The only weaknesses I can see are the paintwork quality isn't as good as it could be. Decals flake off easily. Paint seems thin. Though I'm talking the 2009 model. Maybe it's improved. Also Surly say you can't fit a centre stand as the tubing walls are not desgned for it. Not an issue for me but worth knowing.

In comparison the Spa Tourer handles as well, has better paintwork quality. Can't fault it.

The other tourer I've owned was a mid 90s 531ST Dawes Galaxy. A smoother ride unloaded or with a light load. Had a slight shimmy at one speed though. Did not handle nearly as well as the Spa or Trucker with a load. But then I'm a heavy rider. It may be fine for lighter riders.

If I was buying a bike for loaded touring now without an unlimited budget I would have not a moments hesitation before buying a Trucker at £799. At full price a harder choice between the Spa and the Trucker.

EDIT Forgot to say the Trucker has better tyre clearance. My SpaTourer takes 700x35s with mudguards and is snug at the front. My Trucker takes 700x42s and mudguards with good clearance.
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Re: What is the cheapest new touring bike worth getting?

Postby Tangled Metal » 30 Jun 2016, 3:48pm

I think at full price you'd be better off saving money by.getting the spa tourer based on reputation. Surly LHT is a good bike but no better than the sub-£1k spa tourer.

At £799 the LHT is a different proposition. Hmmm! Check the bank.balance when I get.back perhaps.

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Re: What is the cheapest new touring bike worth getting?

Postby pete75 » 30 Jun 2016, 3:58pm

Sweep wrote:
pete75 wrote:
I mostly build bikes up but if I was after an off the peg tourer I doubt I'd spend any more than the £985 needed to buy a Spa Steel tourer though if I wanted a "trekking" style machine I'd be look at vsf fahrradmanufaktur products.

By trecking do you mean expedition? If so why do you think that the spa wouldn't be up to it?

VSF specialise in European style "trekking" machines. These are different to the British style drop bar tourers that Spa specialise in. That's why I'd go to VSF for the one style and Spa for the other.

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Re: What is the cheapest new touring bike worth getting?

Postby pete75 » 30 Jun 2016, 4:02pm

irc wrote:If I was buying a bike for loaded touring now without an unlimited budget I would have not a moments hesitation before buying a Trucker at £799. At full price a harder choice between the Spa and the Trucker.


Yes. Building my new tourer couldn't make my mind up between a Spa or Surly frame. What clinched it was a junk email from Triton cycles saying they had reduced a previous years model of LHT frame to £249. Attractive shade of blue as well rather than the black of the current model at the time.

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Re: What is the cheapest new touring bike worth getting?

Postby Sweep » 30 Jun 2016, 5:51pm

pete75 wrote:
Sweep wrote:
pete75 wrote:
I mostly build bikes up but if I was after an off the peg tourer I doubt I'd spend any more than the £985 needed to buy a Spa Steel tourer though if I wanted a "trekking" style machine I'd be look at vsf fahrradmanufaktur products.

By trecking do you mean expedition? If so why do you think that the spa wouldn't be up to it?

VSF specialise in European style "trekking" machines. These are different to the British style drop bar tourers that Spa specialise in. That's why I'd go to VSF for the one style and Spa for the other.

Had the impression that spa do flat bar as well - that they can build the frames up how you like.
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Re: What is the cheapest new touring bike worth getting?

Postby fastpedaller » 30 Jun 2016, 5:55pm

I have a Spa, but add that I built it up from the frame using the parts I wanted (eg 7 speed cassette hub). I'm delighted with it. Another that looks good value is the Oxford range.

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Re: What is the cheapest new touring bike worth getting?

Postby Sweep » 30 Jun 2016, 9:12pm

Tangled Metal wrote:Another thing is superficial, a new bike is yours and has never been owned or used by anyone else. That's a nice feeling that you lose out with secondhand.

I don't think you can really catch anything from a pre-owned bike. If you decide to get particularly intimate with it, just use protection.
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Re: What is the cheapest new touring bike worth getting?

Postby gerrymcm » 30 Jun 2016, 9:30pm

If tyre size is a consideration I think surly can take bigger tyres.

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Re: What is the cheapest new touring bike worth getting?

Postby Tangled Metal » 30 Jun 2016, 10:09pm

Sweep wrote:
Tangled Metal wrote:Another thing is superficial, a new bike is yours and has never been owned or used by anyone else. That's a nice feeling that you lose out with secondhand.

I don't think you can really catch anything from a pre-owned bike. If you decide to get particularly intimate with it, just use protection.

It's not that just the fact you're the first owner and you know it's full history. Kind of the same feeling of a brand new car but mechanically simpler. I've never owned a new car but I've been in a brand new car owned by someone else. I get that is kind of feeling with a new bike. There is some attachment from bringinyoug a new bike from a shop IMHO.

I don't see why that's wrong or difficult to understand and it's certainly nothing twisted like a sexual relationship. Each to their own viewpoint though.