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Lsricho
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1 X 11 speed

Postby Lsricho » 8 Nov 2016, 7:04pm

Hi everyone,

I've just been to pick my bike up from my LBS after repair, unfortunately they were unable to fix the initial problem which was the front derailleur mount had come away from the carbon fame (there was just not enough material to re drill and rivet back on) after talking to there frame man for a while he suggested to go to a single ring and a wide range cassette on the back.im thinking it is a good idea, probably my only choice but need to decide on ratios etc..
I know everyone is different regarding ratios but was wanting to know if anyone else runs on a single ring and how they find it?

Thanks in advance

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cycleruk
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Re: 1 X 11 speed

Postby cycleruk » 8 Nov 2016, 7:47pm

As a lad most all bikes had a single chainring and maybe a 3 speed Sturmey on the back.
Just a case of picking the right ratio to suit the terrain.

As an option, can you not fit a "band on" FD?
You'll never know if you don't try it.

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Re: 1 X 11 speed

Postby Lsricho » 8 Nov 2016, 7:53pm

Can't do the band option as the tubes tapered and would be too much pressure and crush it.

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Re: 1 X 11 speed

Postby fastpedaller » 8 Nov 2016, 8:14pm

With more than 1 front ring you'll get range and close jumps between gears - with only 1 ring you can't achieve both (if that's important to you)

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Re: 1 X 11 speed

Postby Lsricho » 8 Nov 2016, 8:22pm

I'm not too bothered about the bigger jumps to be honest, it's looking like a good option. Might just go for it and see how it goes :shock: once I decide on a ratio that suits me

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Re: 1 X 11 speed

Postby Brucey » 8 Nov 2016, 8:28pm

there are many different front mechs, including those which can use a flexible band of simple design. With a little effort such a mech could be fitted to almost any seat tube. Friction holds the mech in place; with a rubber packing piece between the flexible band and the seat tube, there can be plenty of friction without there being a large crushing force.

Alternatively you could perhaps use an 'E-fit' front mech, e.g. like this;

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Another option is to talk to a carbon frame repair specialist; I would say that a competent repairer would be able to reinforce the damaged area in the frame and add bonded-in fittings that will accept a front mech mount of some kind (some makes use them screwed in place rather than riveted).

You would need to consider the frame geometry, the gear system and the shifters before choosing a new front mech. Do you have a photo of the damage?

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Re: 1 X 11 speed

Postby 3spd » 8 Nov 2016, 8:32pm

I didn't want 1x11 when I was buying a new MTB but got such a good deal on the higher spec bike that I was willing to put up with it.
On the MTB I love it, friend has basically the same bike with 2x10 and having ridden both would not go back. My friend however is now looking to upgrade to 1x11.
Ratio wise decide if you need the same spread, wider spaced cassette or if your willing to loose a bit of range from the top or bottom of the range for a closer cassette.
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Re: 1 X 11 speed

Postby 531colin » 8 Nov 2016, 8:41pm

What is your existing set up?
Conventional compact double, 34/50 tooth?
Whats on the back, 11/30?
Just taking that as an example, if 34/11 is high enough for you, you could just use a 34 front, 11/30 back and keep your existing bottom gear.
If you don't need a gear as low as your existing bottom gear, you could use bigger than 34 front.
However, its most likely that you want higher than 34/11 top gear, and 34/30 is also useful.....
..........then you have to consider wide range cassettes (11 up to 46 here..https://www.rosebikes.com/article/shimano-xt-cs-m8000-11-speed-cassette/aid:812474....and a gear mech. that will handle such a range.
With 11 sprockets, the range 11 to 46 teeth has fairly small jumps!

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Re: 1 X 11 speed

Postby seph » 8 Nov 2016, 8:43pm

You could see what someone like these guys say http://www.carboncyclerepairs.co.uk/con ... ics_3.html, maybe a front mech mount could be bonded on.

I don't have a front derailleur on my (old steel) commuter. 13-26 with a 38 ring is fine for that ride, but then on the commuter I'm never trying to ride particularly fast, climbing slow and freewheeling downhill

One thing to be aware of is that the chain may occasionally come off the ring when the chain is running at much of an angle. You can get chainrings that prevent this, like this 9/10 speed one http://www.wiggle.co.uk/hope-single-chainring/

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Re: 1 X 11 speed

Postby Threevok » 8 Nov 2016, 8:47pm

Agree with what others have said about 1x11

although the BB mounted Front Mech may be the answer too

Alternatively - you could go single-speed ???

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Re: 1 X 11 speed

Postby Lsricho » 8 Nov 2016, 9:00pm

Thanks for the input so for guys, my existing setup is 50/34 with 11-25 compact on the back.
I was thinking about a 38 on the front with a wide range 11-36 on the back????

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Re: 1 X 11 speed

Postby fastpedaller » 8 Nov 2016, 10:23pm

I expect there is a large weight penalty if going the single chainring and large sprocket route, 'cos those large sprockets must weigh some!

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Re: 1 X 11 speed

Postby Lsricho » 8 Nov 2016, 11:32pm

Not sure about the weight myself! But what I've read they either are the same or less depending on what you get?

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Re: 1 X 11 speed

Postby irc » 9 Nov 2016, 1:29am

Lsricho wrote:Thanks for the input so for guys, my existing setup is 50/34 with 11-25 compact on the back.
I was thinking about a 38 on the front with a wide range 11-36 on the back????


My Surly Pacer is a 9 speed 38 front and 12-36 rear. I find it good for up to low 20s mph and low enough to get me up just about anything unloaded. I think the extra range on a 11-36 would make if fine for most situations.

I'm a spinner though so some people might want a slightly bigger chainring.

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Re: 1 X 11 speed

Postby Mick F » 9 Nov 2016, 11:26am

Just doing some arithmetic, and I'd need a 48t single ring and 11-50 cassette to get the ratio spread I have with my triple 10sp.
53/42/28 and 12-30

Can you buy 11-50 cassettes?
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