Rumbling Rohloff

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LollyKat
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Re: Rumbling Rohloff

Post by LollyKat »

I'm not sure which 'that' you are referring to.

    The 'flushing oil' has a blue label and is called Cleaning Oil.

    The regular oil has a yellow label and is called All Seasons Oil.

So clean it first with the Cleaning Oil and then apply the All Seasons Oil. Simples! Note that it is generally a good idea if you are storing oil for any length of time to keep it somewhere dark, away from sunlight.
ukdodger
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Re: Rumbling Rohloff

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LollyKat wrote:I'm not sure which 'that' you are referring to.

    The 'flushing oil' has a blue label and is called Cleaning Oil.

    The regular oil has a yellow label and is called All Seasons Oil.

So clean it first with the Cleaning Oil and then apply the All Seasons Oil. Simples! Note that it is generally a good idea if you are storing oil for any length of time to keep it somewhere dark, away from sunlight.


This also is true. Though on the smaller bottles the Speedhub oil label is green.
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Re: Rumbling Rohloff

Post by PH »

To recap: Here are the choices from SJS, other choices may be available from other suppliers:

I litre of each for £100 that's 5p a ml
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/tools/rohlo ... 0014-8406/

250ml of each for £40 that's 8p a ml
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/tools/rohlo ... 0014-8409/

25ml of each for £11.99 that's 48p a ml
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/tools/rohlo ... 0014-8411/
ukdodger
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Re: Rumbling Rohloff

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PH wrote:To recap: Here are the choices from SJS, other choices may be available from other suppliers:

I litre of each for £100 that's 5p a ml
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/tools/rohlo ... 0014-8406/

250ml of each for £40 that's 8p a ml
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/tools/rohlo ... 0014-8409/

25ml of each for £11.99 that's 48p a ml
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/tools/rohlo ... 0014-8411/


Cheers the middle one will do me.
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Re: Rumbling Rohloff

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Tiberius wrote: I have the Rohloff sprocket tool and a decent chain whip (crucial) so flipping the sprocket was stright forward.

Veering slightly off topic, I notice Rohloff have changed new hubs to a splined sprocket rather than a screw on, there's an adapter to change the originals.
https://www.rohloff.de/en/products/speedhub/sprocket/
ukdodger
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Re: Rumbling Rohloff

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PH wrote:
Tiberius wrote: I have the Rohloff sprocket tool and a decent chain whip (crucial) so flipping the sprocket was stright forward.

Veering slightly off topic, I notice Rohloff have changed new hubs to a splined sprocket rather than a screw on, there's an adapter to change the originals.
https://www.rohloff.de/en/products/speedhub/sprocket/


That's interesting. I wonder if they're changed the oil seal arrangement too.
Tiberius
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Re: Rumbling Rohloff

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PH wrote:Veering slightly off topic, I notice Rohloff have changed new hubs to a splined sprocket rather than a screw on, there's an adapter to change the originals.
https://www.rohloff.de/en/products/speedhub/sprocket/


Yes, it was already in my mind to fit one of those at the next sprocket change.

I didn't find the original design too difficult to deal with but this splined adapter (with splined sprockets) must be easier.
geocycle
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Re: Rumbling Rohloff

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PH wrote:
Tiberius wrote: I have the Rohloff sprocket tool and a decent chain whip (crucial) so flipping the sprocket was stright forward.

Veering slightly off topic, I notice Rohloff have changed new hubs to a splined sprocket rather than a screw on, there's an adapter to change the originals.
https://www.rohloff.de/en/products/speedhub/sprocket/


The splined arrangement is good, it is now a doddle to reverse or change the sprocket. There are two sizes so it is a good idea to check which gives the best chainline. Thorn suggest the smaller one works best for most of their bikes. I got the standard one before the smaller was available and it works fine in every practical sense but might be tricky for those using chaingliders.
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Re: Rumbling Rohloff

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The slimline one, which I just bought will not dictate that you get a wider BB to get a more or less perfect chainline. The original one pushes the chain out about 3mm, so if you're a perfectionist you may want a 6mm wider axle system.
I won't be using this for a while as I haven't reversed the current sprocket. I find that these give great mileage. I can usually get 3 chains though one side of the sprocket and the chains are cheap.
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Re: Rumbling Rohloff

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The slimline one, which I just bought will not dictate that you get a wider BB to get a more or less perfect chainline. The original one pushes the chain out about 3mm, so if you're a perfectionist you may want a 6mm wider axle system.
I won't be using this for a while as I haven't reversed the current sprocket. I find that these give great mileage. I can usually get 3 chains though one side of the sprocket and the chains are cheap.
When the chainwheel wears you can get rumbling. Also if you use even-even setup (16 sprocket with 40, 42 etc) if you take wheel off, you can get the sprocket in a different phase with the chainwheel and this causes rumbling. If you have such a setup, change phase frequently OR mark one of the teeth on the sprocket so you can put it in phase... This is hard to explain!
ukdodger
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Re: Rumbling Rohloff

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Ok. I cleaned the chain (properly with a toothbrush and pot of white spirit) removed and cleaned the chainwheel and sprocket. I dont know if I reveresed the sprocket on reinstalling or not but I could see no signs of wear and then changed the oil. Did seventy miles on it this w/e. Result - no more rumbling. So what was it. Was it old oil? How could dirt in any or all three parts of the drive chain cause that rumbling?
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Re: Rumbling Rohloff

Post by Brucey »

could be an even-even /wrong chain link thing, or just that you set the chain tension too high last time round.

If you want to find out for sure what makes a difference and what doesn't, you need to do things one at a time only, rather than several at once.

cheers
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ukdodger
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Re: Rumbling Rohloff

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Brucey wrote:could be an even-even /wrong chain link thing, or just that you set the chain tension too high last time round.

If you want to find out for sure what makes a difference and what doesn't, you need to do things one at a time only, rather than several at once.

cheers


Agreed. If it rumbles again I will.
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