How do I get my chainset off?
How do I get my chainset off?
Like a complete eejit I have rounded the head of one of the two Allen bolts holding the left crank onto the axle. It is a fairly modern Shimano external bearing setup. Any reason not to drill out the head? But how do I then remove the threaded part? Any other ideas very welcome.
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Re: How do I get my chainset off?
Before drilling:
1. Is there dirt at the bottom of the socket head? If so, clean it out with a sharp screwdriver or similar then tap in an unworn allen key with a hammer. (Tap it because the mangled bits might stop the key from going in properly.) Then, pressing the key hard into the hole (o ensure it stays fully in), carefully turn it and with a bit of luck the bolt will turn with it.
2. Try the above with a slightly oversized (e.g. imperial) allen key).
3. Try to find a screwdriver with a blade the correct width to be tapped into the bolt head, then tap it in and turn it.
If you have to resort to drilling the head off: Can't you access the other end of the bolt on Shimano cranks? If so drilling into it from that end might drive it out once the head has been removed to release the tension. Or drilling, tapping and, if it hasn't loosened by now, insert a small bolt or screw to give some purchase. It is all getting a bit delicate by now though - with small diameter taps etc.
There are also various thread extraction devices available.
I have had success in drilling out small bolts - such as one of the dropout adjuster on Campag style rear dropouts. It is quite easy to drift offline and damage the female thread, but if you go carefully it can be done.
1. Is there dirt at the bottom of the socket head? If so, clean it out with a sharp screwdriver or similar then tap in an unworn allen key with a hammer. (Tap it because the mangled bits might stop the key from going in properly.) Then, pressing the key hard into the hole (o ensure it stays fully in), carefully turn it and with a bit of luck the bolt will turn with it.
2. Try the above with a slightly oversized (e.g. imperial) allen key).
3. Try to find a screwdriver with a blade the correct width to be tapped into the bolt head, then tap it in and turn it.
If you have to resort to drilling the head off: Can't you access the other end of the bolt on Shimano cranks? If so drilling into it from that end might drive it out once the head has been removed to release the tension. Or drilling, tapping and, if it hasn't loosened by now, insert a small bolt or screw to give some purchase. It is all getting a bit delicate by now though - with small diameter taps etc.
There are also various thread extraction devices available.
I have had success in drilling out small bolts - such as one of the dropout adjuster on Campag style rear dropouts. It is quite easy to drift offline and damage the female thread, but if you go carefully it can be done.
Re: How do I get my chainset off?
Try smacking a Torx bit in. They often bite well in damaged allen sockets. Easier than drilling is a hacksaw throgh the slot. The head end will then drop out and you can do the rest in a vice. You can also use the unthreaded part of the hole as a guide for the drill.
Worked for me.
Worked for me.
Re: How do I get my chainset off?
An impact driver (the kind you hit with a hammer) would be what I'd try first.
I have this one, it works well
https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/cht498- ... gInMPD_BwE
Drilling will work, but as you say you may struggle getting the rest of the screw out
I have this one, it works well
https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/cht498- ... gInMPD_BwE
Drilling will work, but as you say you may struggle getting the rest of the screw out
Re: How do I get my chainset off?
I agree with Matt; try tapping in a torx bit first of all. If the other bolt is still OK, leave that one snugged up whilst you attempt to loosen the bad one; it will take some of the load.
If you have to start drilling, you will most likely find that once the fastener tension is lost (i.e. you have drilled the head off the fastener) the shank of the bolt will unscrew without too much difficulty, eg using a stud extractor.
In addition, go through your toolbox, find the duff allen key that caused the trouble in the first place, and chuck it away. I have seen no end of mangled M6 capheads where someone tried to get them off using a 3/16" allen key....
cheers
If you have to start drilling, you will most likely find that once the fastener tension is lost (i.e. you have drilled the head off the fastener) the shank of the bolt will unscrew without too much difficulty, eg using a stud extractor.
In addition, go through your toolbox, find the duff allen key that caused the trouble in the first place, and chuck it away. I have seen no end of mangled M6 capheads where someone tried to get them off using a 3/16" allen key....
cheers
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Re: How do I get my chainset off?
Got it off by tapping in an imperial size Allen key. Thanks for the advice.
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Re: How do I get my chainset off?
neilob wrote:Got it off by tapping in an imperial size Allen key. Thanks for the advice.
Next time what you can do is remove the other bolt, use a longer one (it's an M6) with a suitable spacer (say the bushing of a jockey wheel) so that in case you round it off you can always remove it; then tighten up this new bolt farly high, like 14-15Nm this will get the opposite bolt a tad loose then easy to be removed even if the hex is rounded.
And use a better allen key next time
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Re: How do I get my chainset off?
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Re: How do I get my chainset off?
Invest in some decent Allen keys.
Cheers James
Cheers James
Re: How do I get my chainset off?
I despise those stupid Hollowtech 2 crank arm bolts. 12-14Nm on a bolt with a 5mm allen head, really Shimano
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Re: How do I get my chainset off?
I know the OP's bolt is out now, but I've found this kind of bolt extractor very good. The instructions often say to use a variables-speed power drill. I just use a ratchet-type socket driver. It's really just a left-hand thread that you drive into the rounded bolt, until it engages and turns the bolt out of the socket.